Scottish Labour, bast*rds the lot of them

Discussion in 'Scotland/Alba' started by geminisnake, Nov 15, 2013.

  1. Sue

    Sue Well-Known Member

    Labour being pissed off the membership numbers had been leaked and the internal email being pissed off about it then also being leaked. :facepalm::)
     
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  2. Celyn

    Celyn Well-Known Member

    Fun. Sad I missed it. :D
     
  3. two sheds

    two sheds Least noticed poster 2007

    Were they pissed off that it was leaked they were pissed off at the email being leaked?
     
  4. 8ball

    8ball BUY QUALITY SLAT NOW!!

    I'm getting a bit lost in the grammar at this point.

    ((alcohol)) :oops:
     
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  5. Sue

    Sue Well-Known Member

    Iirc...

    The membership numbers were leaked.

    An internal Labour email expressed pissed offness that the membership numbers had been leaked.

    That internal email was then itself leaked.
     
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  6. two sheds

    two sheds Least noticed poster 2007

    They must have been pissed off at that :mad:
     
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  7. Tony Hendrix

    Tony Hendrix New Member

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  8. weepiper

    weepiper Jock under the bed

    Richard Leonard's heart must sink every time James Kelly gets up to speak :facepalm:

     
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  9. geminisnake

    geminisnake a complex mass of conflicting ideas

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    Tony Hendrix New Member

  11. Fedayn

    Fedayn Well-Known Member

    Aye, he's not a Labour MSP i'd lean towards and he's not the sharpest. But, that said, he helped run rings around an array of the SNP's most clueless MSPs to get the OBaF repealed.....
     
  12. geminisnake

    geminisnake a complex mass of conflicting ideas

    I am but none of it is linked, not making it easy for the bastids :D

    And SLab voted with the Tories to deny free school meals to p4 and 5 in Lanarkshire today. Cnuts
     
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  13. DexterTCN

    DexterTCN Official Twitter Liaison Officer

    ...by joining with the tories and going against the wishes of the majority of supporters in rangers and celtic, every other Scottish team and the general population...encouraging sectarianism and giving a win for hatred

    well done you

    Don't forget your other successes...here's one



    well done you

    care to talk about women's pay?
     
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  14. DexterTCN

    DexterTCN Official Twitter Liaison Officer

    Police warn of rise in sectarianism

     
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  15. Fedayn

    Fedayn Well-Known Member

    A law that did not even mention sectarianism. You are a fucking idiot.

    Talk about womens pay? The SNP condemned the mainly female work force who went on strike to get their equal pay claim sorted you wretched little man.
     
  16. DexterTCN

    DexterTCN Official Twitter Liaison Officer

    ...by joining with the tories to repeal a law supported by the majority of old firm fans, the majority of all other supporters, the majority of the population. Fact.

    Repealing it...as the judge said...was leaving a specific gap in the law. And everyone knows what that gap was.

    Which has led to a rise in sectarian crimes in the last year. In a country that has seen a 38% drop in crime over a decade mind.

    Drop in violent crime, drop in hate crime. Apart from you lot. Well fucking done.

    And it's not the OBaF, it's the OB(F)A.

    Now...I'm certainly willing to talk about women's pay but it might not be my place. Seeing as how I wasn't fucked over by the unions and the labour council who made sure all the men got theirs...advising them to take shit deals, going to court to frustrate their claims...I'm willing to but I don't mind if someone else does either.
     
  17. Fedayn

    Fedayn Well-Known Member

    But when the Tories backed an SNP budget you are fine with that clearly.

    The Las Society of Scotland were clear, repealimg it left no gap in the law, but do try and make silly claims.

    Legal chiefs brand controversial Offensive Behaviour at Football Act a waste of time - Sunday Post

    From the BBC..... They said that offensive behaviour covered by the Act "is likely to be caught by the substantive criminal law" already in existence, and said all 287 charges brought under Section One of the legislation in 2015-16 "could have been prosecuted under pre-existing legislation". On this basis, they said the legislation "has not been fundamental to tackling sectarianism".
    The submission also said that repeal would not "leave a gap in the criminal law", and said the Act may in fact "have caused some confusion with particular reference to what type of behaviour is now considered offensive and unacceptable" - something that could lead to cases in the appeal courts seeking clarification."

    The Law Society of Scotland makes it clear, but hey facts, actual real live facts, who bothers with them...

    Well given sectarianism has 0 legal definition, sectarianism existed before, during and after the bill/law it had little effect, as the Law Society made absolutely clear in the link above, but you know best.....
    The recent interview by the head copper made it clear he had NO evidence to back up his claim, funny that. It was a law/bill that did not even mention sectarianism, that blamed football for sectarianism even though the vast majority of sectarian incidents happen away from football, but you would know that if you did the research....

    Cor, well done you, you know the spelling of something... Ooooh you win....

    Glasgow City Council under Labour were a disgrace, so you will get no disagreement from me. The SNP attacks on the women strikers was a disgrace, dripping sexist shite. Susan Aitken telling the press the strike was manipulated by men and the women were being duped. They were being used, disgusting stuff..... As if these women didn't have minds of their own. SNP cybertwats attacking UNITE as not a 'native'; union, not a union to support as it was 'British. Classy stuff....
     
  18. DexterTCN

    DexterTCN Official Twitter Liaison Officer

    ffs so much but never mind...

    Honestly...dunno.

    Listen...put all your shite aside...never mind it and let's just look at it.

    A rise in sectarian crime in a country where all forms of violence had been dropping for a decade...directly after the repeal of a law which was put in place to reduce sectarian crime.

    Because it is exceptional and not covered by normal laws. The people against this...they think they're exceptional and beyond the law.

    And labour pushed for that with their mates the tories.

    Now tell me why?
     
  19. Celyn

    Celyn Well-Known Member

    When did the women gain proper fair wages in Glasgow City Council?

    Was it when the "Labour" party was in charge, in control of all of this? Look at the history. The Labour council and the unions were happy to discriminate against women and this is a thing that has only been sorted out now.
    Look at the history of it

    Edit: things seem to have moved on after small input.
    ....
     
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  20. Fedayn

    Fedayn Well-Known Member

    So the fact that the bill you defend had no effect on the issue of sectarianism. Not from a bias source but the Law Society of Scotland, your reply 'ffs so much'.

    And then you say ;put the 'shite aside', you r reply to points I made which were backed up by facts. ie with evidence? Oh dear....

    I have been and am opposed to sectarianism, it is a blight on society. A law that didn't even mention sectarianism, that sought to tackle 'offensive behaviour' (which was not and still has not been legally defined other than 'what a reasonable person finds offensive') in 1 sphere of life where the vast majority of reported sectarian incidents did not and do not happen was not an answer. It was a hindrance to any campaign against it as it worsened relations between fans and the authorities, which was mentioned by supporters groups. As was mentioned ALL of the charges brought under the bill could have been dealt with by pre-existing legislation, so it was useless, a waste of time and money, not to mention a whole host of lies.

    Fans pushed for it because they were treated differently to other people, but you ignore that because it doesn't fit your narrative. . If they sang a song that got into the Top 30 in the charts at a game they could be jailed but sing it in a bar or at the rugby nothing would happen, that was idiocy. It treated fans, wrongly again, as the cause of the issue when the stats are clear that football is not the cause of sectarianism.

    And again when the Tories backed an SNP budget you are silent, funny that...

    If the SNP were serious about tackling sectarianism and having a consensus they would have done so, instead when they had a majority in Parliament they reacted to a game when 3 players were sent off and the number of fan arrests was unusually low for a Celtic Rangers game. When they introduced the bill in 2011 (when they had a majority) they ignored the submissions from ALL other political parties, lawyers, judges, unions, academics and and civil liberty groups. In 2017 when they lost their majority they wanted to talk, not because they had any real proposals to challenge sectarianism but because they realised the law they brought in was on its way out. The law they introduced had done nothing of what it said, was unnecessary as the Law Society made clear it was a waste but the SNP were adamant despite the evidence that was before them...... it was showboating nothing more nothing less. Nothing like a real campaign against sectarianism which should and would get the support of all the groups who put in submissions into the Parliament over the shoddy time this bill was on the statute books.
     
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  21. DexterTCN

    DexterTCN Official Twitter Liaison Officer

    Sectarian crimes DROPPED when we had the OB(F)A.

    Sectarian crimes have RISEN since labour and the tories ganged up to get it repealed. Blether all the snpeebad pish you want.

    Anyway...women's wages is a much more interesting subject.
     
  22. Fedayn

    Fedayn Well-Known Member

    Show me the statistics. Where did these incidents happen?
     
  23. DexterTCN

    DexterTCN Official Twitter Liaison Officer

    If you want to contend the point...you supply the evidence. You seem to be a know-it-all in regards to the law. And you lied when you said all offences were covered by other acts. Lie, pure and simple.

    Let's talk about women's wages and how they were fucked over by the unions acting in cahoots with the labour glasgow council.

    This is a labour thread, after all.
     
  24. Poi E

    Poi E Pessimism: a valuable protection against quackery.

  25. Fedayn

    Fedayn Well-Known Member

    Clear evidence no lie....
    https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/legal...ee/Inquiries/OBR155-GlasgowBarAssociation.pdf

    And their full written submission
    https://www.parliament.scot/S5_JusticeCommittee/Inquiries/OBR117-LawSociety.pdf

    And the Glasgow Bar Association also clear that repeal leaves no gaps.
    https://www.parliament.scot/S5_JusticeCommittee/Inquiries/OBR155-GlasgowBarAssociation.pdf
     
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  26. DexterTCN

    DexterTCN Official Twitter Liaison Officer

    I wasn't aware that the law society or the glasgow bar association, made judgements in Scotland.

    Do they?

    Let's ask Lord Bracadale, who was appointed to actually review it. Independent review of hate crime legislation in Scotland: final report - gov.scot

    FINAL REPORT THERE ^^^^^


    What did he say? Let's go and see :)

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    Do your homework next time, eh? Maybe don't rely too much on the sunday post for your info.
     

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