lang rabbie
Je ne regrette les gazebos
I only found out I was presbyterian at all a few years ago.
Did you start violently frothing at the mouth when in the presence of a bishop
Scottish Churches- can anyone explain?
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Did you start violently frothing at the mouth when in the presence of a bishop
danny la rouge
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Ah, I was coming along to remind people of the Disruption, and the Auld Licht and New Licht. But I see that's been done.
As you were.
As you were.
quimcunx
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Did you start violently frothing at the mouth when in the presence of a bishop
Yes!
Nah, my Irish friend told me her mum said I was presbyterian. I didn't believe her but my mum confirmed that indeed I was.
All a little too late as I'm an atheist and had last gone to a normal church service age 11.
geminisnake
a complex mass of conflicting ideas
Oh I know there are differences but tbh I don't care. Afaic they are ALL scary nutters, whether they're wee free, evangelical, in aboutcomers or whatever. Religious fanatics are scary wierdos.
Religion has(imo) been resposible for more bloodshed and death in this world than any other one thing.
Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
Yes!
Nah, my Irish friend told me her mum said I was presbyterian. I didn't believe her but my mum confirmed that indeed I was.
All a little too late as I'm an atheist and had last gone to a normal church service age 11.
There's a lot of us staunch atheist protestants about.
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
Oh, I knew I was protestant. Moving to Glasgow the day Mo Johnson was signed to Rangers taught me that.
Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
That was only because humans hadn't discovered marxism-leninism yet.
I really wonder whether you can attribute any of the more extreme examples of bloodshed and death in the world to adherents of the smaller Scottish reformed churches.
lang rabbie
Je ne regrette les gazebos
The various Scottish Presbyterian missionaries also probably did more for education, health and sanitation in much of pre-independence southern Africa than any other group, with considerably less proselytising than their RC contemporaries.
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
Do the different churches hate each other in Life of Brian style-"the only thing we hate more than the Devil is the f*cking United Free Church of Scotland"?
After the most recent split, I am aware of close members in certain families who will never speak to each other again because they took opposing sides & there were a number of instances where depending on the choice of the congregation, the minister in the manse, did not remain as the minister in the adjacent church.
Think it is only in the last couple of years that the numerous property disputes were sorted out.
Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
You're right, and it is tragic, and in my opinion (for what it's worth) a betrayal of their christian principles. The dispute arose from whether the Professor of the Free Church College touched up some ladies. The charges were disproved and some lies were exposed.
Good people losing sight of what's important.
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
to be fair I reckon there would probably been about the same amount of bloodshed. It would have been about different disagreements or they would have had to be a bit more honest about what the bloodshed was really in aid of, e.g. land or power.
toblerone3
Grrrrr
This is very educational!
geminisnake
a complex mass of conflicting ideas
Not to those particular churches but to religion in general. I'm entitled to my opinion
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Not to those particular churches but to religion in general. I'm entitled to my opinion
It's a very simplistic opinion, though.
Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
Not to those particular churches but to religion in general. I'm entitled to my opinion
We're talking about religion here - we're all entitled to be wrong!
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Oh, I knew I was protestant. Moving to Glasgow the day Mo Johnson was signed to Rangers taught me that.
heh. My brother didn't really 'get' that he was proddy till I explained Catholic confession to him. He was outraged 'My sins are between me and god!' was his horrified reaction.
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
The Reverend Angus Smith of Skeabost on Skye. A Lewisman.
The incident & some of his other sabbatarian acts are detailed here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=U5...yfGwCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=7&ct=result
More recently, the fight for Ullapool - Stornoway sailings still rumbles on. Some other minister was announcing his intention to lie on the ramp here too & another lot were prepared tp try & put a chain across the harbour!
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4156/is_20071209/ai_n21153749
However it is possible to access the islands from the mainland via the Uig - Lochmaddy & Oban - Lochboisdale routes, whilst the Berneray - Leverburgh route between North Uist & Harris has operated on a Sunday for a while now
lang rabbie
Je ne regrette les gazebos
Oh back in 1967
I remember the obvious disappointment of the TV news crews in 2006 when they realised that the first Sunday ferry to Harris would be greeted by a deeply unphotogenic crowd of nobody, as the Sabbatarians refuse to protest on the Sabbath as well.
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
Oh back in 1967
the first Sunday ferry to Harris ould be greeted by a deeply unphotogenic crowd of nobody, as the Sabbatarians refuse to protest on the Sabbath as well.
I think I remember a few guys turning-up, mainly ministers.
TBH, A lot of folk on the Islands, Sabbatarian or not, actually like the tradition of Sunday isolation - A day when they can step aside from the pressures of the wider world & these days, a reasonable balance between the two camps seems to exist - The Sabbatarians know they are now in a minority.
Remember there was also the Strome Ferry Riot of 1883, also about Sunday ferries, more than a decade before the railway eventually reached Kyle.
geminisnake
a complex mass of conflicting ideas
When it comes to religion I keep it simple, the subject matter itself is so complex I can't be bothered with it.
I really don't get why people argue about how to worship the same 'dude'. Does it matter, what is the point??
teuchter
je suis teuchter
That's the one. Thanks. I've heard talk of seeing him in action from the more senior members of my family.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4156/is_20071209/ai_n21153749
Lochboisdale is of course safely within Catholic territory, mind.
Which I can understand, to some extent. Although it's a bit of a thorny issue, the whole idea of deliberately keeping some places a bit isolated - sometimes it's the people who have moved there to retire or whatever, who enjoy the isolation, rather than the folk who have grown up there and are trying to run businesses that are dependent on a healthy tourist trade.
Well I'd never heard of the Stromeferry Riot! I'll mention it the next time I'm back home and someone asks me why I live in Brixton what with all those riots going on and all.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
But it's a bit unfair to write off all aspects of religion just because some people choose to use it as an excuse for conflict.
I wouldn't say that "religion" causes bloodshed and destruction any more than "politics" does.
geminisnake
a complex mass of conflicting ideas
I don't like either teuchter 
I don't recall any wars called the political wars whereas I do remember being told about the holy wars.
I don't recall any wars called the political wars whereas I do remember being told about the holy wars.
lang rabbie
Je ne regrette les gazebos
Me neither. I did wonder whether the (too plausible?) digitised extracts from contemporary Hansard that I managed to Google might be the work of a Gaelic-speaking sometime Parliamentary researcher of my acquaintance who might have corrupted a member of the House of Commons Library staff into creating some bogus documentation for a laugh.
But there do appear to be some other sources:
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
I can't find much more info online but this from Hansard seems to suggest very little has changed since - They were still wondering just who was breaking the law!
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1883/aug/03/sunday-traffic-scotland-the-strome-ferry
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
Yup, I can understand that but these days, in season anyway, you don't have that much problem finding activities & things open on a Sunday, in the larger communities anyway. Others have decided to keep the traditional ways, which is IMO fine too - its their island.
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
There have been plenty of political-origin wars!
There have also been plenty where religion and politics have probably been to blame in fully equal measure.
geminisnake
a complex mass of conflicting ideas
There have been plenty of political-origin wars!
Shall we do a list then??
I was thinking about this last night, wars and atrocities
WW1 - political
Falklands - political
WW2 - not sure but religion definetly featured
Spanish Inquistion - religion
Crusades - religion
Burning Times - religion
Cromwell stuff - religion involved (possibly politics too)
Ireland 'troubles' - religion
Middle East troubles(for 2000 yrs) - religion
I don't know all the wars in history but these are the ones I know about, and that's what I base my opinion on.
Thing is people will always fight about things. Dunno why but religion seems to be given as a reason an awful lot.
