Science has become another religion

[goldenecitrone]

Everything you 'accomplish'/'achieve' will one day become nothing. Doesn't that make it worthless to you?

So why bother posting anything then?

 

[Fruitloop]

A good point well made.

 

[editor]

Science has become a religion for the secular, complete with promises of eternal life and a paradise on earth.

Where are you getting this drivel from, moonfruit?

 

[editor]

Everything you 'accomplish'/'achieve' will one day become nothing. Doesn't that make it worthless to you?

I'll still live on in the Google cache and that's good enough for me.

And, of course, anyone with kids leaves living breathing parts of themselves on this planet with bits of their DNA carrying on centuries after they've expired.

You haven't really thought this one through, have you, petal?

 

[kyser_soze]

What's this? Nihilism for 15 year olds who are confused at the difference between science and science-fiction?

 

[sleaterkinney]

Everything you 'accomplish'/'achieve' will one day become nothing. Doesn't that make it worthless to you?

sshhh, he's only been a mod a while, don't break his spirit.

 

[Crispy]

sshhh, he's only been a mod a while, don't break his spirit.

My spirit is steel reinforced with cheerful optimism

 

[bluestreak]

Garf?

you bugger, i snorted tea.

 

[bluestreak]

Most people have religion.

oh get over it. you live, people throw pointless shit at you for seventy-five years and then you die, alone, eaten by the cats you surrounded yourself with because you were too scared of the feral people outside your door and then that's your lot.

who gives a toss? why is it important? you're born out of sheer chance that one squirmer survived the spermicide and the race to the egg, your life is a serious of connected events and random incidents. *shrug* you need something to believe in, take up religion, i hear islam offers young go-getters like you some very attractive terms.

 

[bluestreak]

My spirit is steel reinforced with cheerful optimism

and he can prove it with a graph.

 

[User 301X/5.1]

Science has now become another bullshit religion, saying 'surely eternal life is coming soon! come, singularity, come!' And it makes me so angry to see this pathetic bullshit pipe dreams that our pathetic hopeless species has to cling to to get by in this hopeless universe. "

Bloody hell mate - cheer up! Being a pathetic hopeless species is not all that bad. Count yourself lucky you could be something else even more pathetic or in fact nothing at all.

Your OP is very narrow minded in my opinion. The singularity is just one technological proposition. There are other hopes for the future our species other than uploading into a digital environment.

We are (almost certainly) doomed as a species in either the big crunch or a very lonely demise if the Universe keeps expanding. But hey! theres a long way to go before that happens just yet and in the meantime we are blessed with a a rather large universe to investigate while we are here.

 

[Crispy]

and he can prove it with a graph.

The y-axis goes from to and the data points are clustered all round the top end.

 

[drews]

I'll still live on in the Google cache and that's good enough for me.

And, of course, anyone with kids leaves living breathing parts of themselves on this planet with bits of their DNA carrying on centuries after they've expired.

You haven't really thought this one through, have you, petal?

Eventually google, your genetic/memetic lineage, and all matter will be gone.

Guess you didn't think it through, asshole.

 

[nosos]

God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?

God's death is supposed to free us. Not make us tiresome mopey twats.

 

[drews]

Your OP is very narrow minded in my opinion. The singularity is just one technological proposition. There are other hopes for the future our species other than uploading into a digital environment.

If it doesn't save us from death, it's not a 'hope'.

We are (almost certainly) doomed as a species in either the big crunch or a very lonely demise if the Universe keeps expanding. But hey! theres a long way to go before that happens

And during that 'long way', the needless prolonging of our species, many, many more millions of good people will suffer terrible physical and emotional pain, as has been the case every day for the past 150,000 years of modern homo sapiens history. So we should stop procreating now and allow the end to come sooner rather than later (in 'a long way' from now).

just yet and in the meantime we are blessed with a a rather large universe to investigate while we are here.

Even if we develop interstellar space travel, we are going nowhere. Sure, we could use exploration of these vast cosmos to distract ourselves, just like everything else we do- but it's just a bullshit distraction, nothing else. Fuck.

 

[phildwyer]

Science has become a religion for the secular

It has become no such thing. It always was.

 

[kyser_soze]

Fuck off Dwyer

And don't feed Junior Fred - the one with the syphillis was FAR better at being a miserabalist then this rank amateur.

 

[Crispy]

If it doesn't save us from death, it's not a 'hope'.



And during that 'long way', the needless prolonging of our species, many, many more millions of good people will suffer terrible physical and emotional pain, as has been the case every day for the past 150,000 years of modern homo sapiens history. So we should stop procreating now and allow the end to come sooner rather than later (in 'a long way' from now).



Even if we develop interstellar space travel, we are going nowhere. Sure, we could use exploration of these vast cosmos to distract ourselves, just like everything else we do- but it's just a bullshit distraction, nothing else. Fuck.

Why haven't you killed yourself then? I mean, if it's all so pointless, what's the harm in offing yourself right this second? No? Tiny flicker of want-to-live? Good. That's a start. Enjoy life for your own sake - it's a lot of fun. Distraction, maybe, but so what? Who said thaere had to be meaning? Stop thinking about it, go outside, do something fun.

 

[kyser_soze]

Yeah, PLUS...

You only need to get past p205 of Penguins 'A Nietzsche Reader' before you get past nihilism, and onto the REAL reason for existance, the Will To Power.

 

[Crispy]

Yeah, PLUS...

You only need to get past p205 of Penguins 'A Nietzsche Reader' before you get past nihilism, and onto the REAL reason for existance, the Will To Power.

The Power to exterminate all life, presumably
Maybe it really is time to call the cops? I mean, we've got a potential bond villian in the making here.

 

[nosos]

Yeah, PLUS...

You only need to get past p205 of Penguins 'A Nietzsche Reader' before you get past nihilism, and onto the REAL reason for existance, the Will To Power.

This thread made me want to go to my garage and find where I put that book so I could post up relevant bits for Drew....

 

[editor]

Eventually google, your genetic/memetic lineage, and all matter will be gone.

Guess you didn't think it through, asshole.

Be quiet, child.

 

[kyser_soze]

'The irrationality of a thing is no argument against it's existence, rather a condition of it'

See - even Freddie argrees that just because something is irrational, as you claim children to be - doesn't mean that it shouldn't be...

 

[stat]

Ok drews, let's play along with this.

Assuming life is suffering/crap/futile, then isn't death made all the more glorious, for being relief from this terrible situation?

The worse life is, then surely the better death becomes?

I know a few elderly folk who are looking forward to death. Most people don't seem to want to live forever. Maybe death can be a pleasant experience in this way? As we can't know exactly *how* pleasurable it is (cos no-one but Jesus and Lazarus know ), surely we should just leave it to individuals to balance it out for themselves, rather than assuming we know best and eradicating them?

[bit pissed, have just read all of your identi-kit threads and not sure which one this post is best placed for )

 

[kyser_soze]

Hey, here's an idea...post it on ALL of them and see whether they fit...

 

[stat]

Hey, here's an idea...post it on ALL of them and see whether they fit...

it's been done before

"blahblahblah" /snip
I've asked this question on other forums, and here's a summary of answers:

 

[drews]

bump

 

[nosos]

fuck you're tedious

 

[nosos]

ban!

 

[User 301X/5.1]

If it doesn't save us from death, it's not a 'hope'.

There are "hopes" which would save us from death as a species. If we were to fully understand how to manipulate the fabric of space/time we could rip our way out of it or even reverse expansion/shrinking of the universe.

And during that 'long way', the needless prolonging of our species, many, many more millions of good people will suffer terrible physical and emotional pain, as has been the case every day for the past 150,000 years of modern homo sapiens history. So we should stop procreating now and allow the end to come sooner rather than later (in 'a long way' from now).

150,000 years is absolutely fuck all compared to the age of the Universe, age of the planet earth and the duration of human evolution.

Even if we develop interstellar space travel, we are going nowhere. Sure, we could use exploration of these vast cosmos to distract ourselves, just like everything else we do- but it's just a bullshit distraction, nothing else. Fuck.

Each individual has this choice......Accept the distraction or kill yourself, it's a tad selfish to stop procreation on the basis of your own inability to think a little more broadly.