School expels kid for having gay parents

[spring-peeper]

WTF?

It was explained in great length on a documentary about the sugar industry. CBC I believe.

The main thrust of the documentary was about how much control this industry has on US politics.

 

[pbman]

It was explained in great length on a documentary about the sugar industry. CBC I believe.
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That doesn't make it correct.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/sla_bibl.htm

With all that, their's no need to make shit up, about haveing no soul, thats just silly ass thinking on their part.

The main thrust of the documentary was about how much control this industry has on US politics.

Big suger.

I like big oil and minning myself.

And i don't have any problems with big tobacco.

 

[spring-peeper]

That doesn't make it correct.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/sla_bibl.htm

With all that, their's no need to make shit up, about haveing no soul, thats just silly ass thinking on their part.

With the successful Spanish and Portuguese invasions of the New World, enslavement of the native peoples and the importation of Africans ensued, and some slavers offered the rationale that this was not in violation of Christian morality, as these were not "rational creatures" entitled to liberty but were a species of animals and therefore legitimately subject to human exploitation. This theological subterfuge by slave-traders was artfully used by Norman F. Cantor to indict Catholicism: "The church accepted slavery…in sixteenth-century Spain, Christians were still arguing over whether black slaves had souls or were animal creations of the Lord."

source

I'm not going to play "who can find the most links" and this is a thread about people preferring to having like minded people attending schools that they have set up.

 

[spring-peeper]

Big suger.

I like big oil and minning myself.

And i don't have any problems with big tobacco.

Government against its citizens

Democrat Mary Landrieu's successful Louisiana senatorial race against Republican challenger Suzanne Haik Terrell highlights some of the less appreciated and uglier aspects of American politics. America's sugar producers contributed heavily to both candidates. In fact, the sugar lobby gives millions of dollars to both parties of the House of Representatives and the Senate. Why? Might it be the sugar businesses' civic interest in free elections and good government? Believing that would make you a prime candidate for a brain transplant.

some conservative columnist

I'm not going to play "who can find the most links" and this is a thread about people preferring to having like minded people attending schools that they have set up.

 

[pbman]

source

I'm not going to play "who can find the most links" and this is a thread about people preferring to having like minded people attending schools that they have set up.

"Common belife" and "some slaver" are not quite the same thing........

I like historical acuracy thats all,as we are entitled to our own opinions but not our own facts.

 

[spring-peeper]

"Common belife" and "some slaver" are not quite the same thing........

I like historical acuracy thats all,as we are entitled to our own opinions but not our own facts.

and so you chose a religious site to back up your opinions, oh come on

Is it really that hard for you to admit that maybe there are different view points on this one?

Holy moly - the site I selected was just one of many that was researching the practice of slavery and it's justifications back to the beginning of time, not just your precious little America.

=> It's late and your time zone is an hour ahead of me, so I'm off now. Start a different thread on this so that there is now thread derailment and we can continue to play "find the link" tomorrow. Good dreams

 

[james_walsh]

The attitude that its none of our business, reminds me , that at the beginning of WW11 the head of bomber command objected to bombing german armourments factories , on the grounds that they where private property.
State provision of schooling in most of the US ain't that hot, by the logic of the right to free assocation british employers shouldn't be forced not to disgriminate on grounds of race or gender. A schools job is to teach , if they don't like it , they should find another business.
Perhas the southern states should have privitised there collages in the 60's.

 

[james_walsh]

WTF?

But slavery was more of a charity/pubic workfare thing in those days.

what a load of cook. Its what happened to the vanquished in war.

 

[mears]

Fine the school, prosecute it to the limits of the law. Examine it's educational status and look at revoking it.

But none of that's going to happen is it.

I'm not for intrusive government. I don't want my government to stick its nose into the groups I join or the schools I send my kids to.

If they shut down this school, they can look at closing down other Christian groups or Islamic associations that don't allow women to attend. Where does it stop?

Those who know whats best for us must rise and save us from ourselves.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I don't think their quite the same, they don't have metal detetors or people smoking crack in the bathroom..............

Yes, Pbman, they do. They have drug dealers and the whole bit in "Christian" schools. Stop believing everything you're told and look with your own eyes.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

I'm not for intrusive government. I don't want my government to stick its nose into the groups I join or the schools I send my kids to.

If they shut down this school, they can look at closing down other Christian groups or Islamic associations that don't allow women to attend. Where does it stop?

Those who know whats best for us must rise and save us from ourselves.

Well no. This is discrimination, short simple and just as unpleasant. This isn't a case of someone joining an all girls school then jumping up in a lesson before exposingwaving his willy about. This is a child being expelled because of thier parent's perfectly legal sexual orientation.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yes, Pbman, they do. They have drug dealers and the whole bit in "Christian" schools. Stop believing everything you're told and look with your own eyes.

That's REALLY going to happen.

Probably around the same time that Paul MacCartney makes a decent solo record.

 

[spring-peeper]

Eleven parents in the US have gone to court to protect the teaching of evolution at their local schools.

The Dover Area School Board in the state of Pennsylvania requires science teachers to tell pupils that evolution is merely one unproven theory.

Teachers have to say that "intelligent design" - whose adherents believe life on earth was created by an intelligent being - is a possible alternative.

The parents say it is a religious belief that should not be taught.

They argue that its inclusion violates the constitutional separation of church and state.

source

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Sadly, it's quite a well-known phenomenon in France.

The gang rapes are often carried out by boys from their own communities, so they may often know who their assailant is. While you might think this means it's easier to bring the perpetrators to justice, it sometimes makes it harder. If you report your various neighbour's sons for rape, there's a danger of a further backlash and punishments against the girl in such tight knit communities.

source or retraction ... really

edited to ad the only thing i can see is two cases so not prolific then jsut two cases not even a phenomenon ... loose ill fitting racialised sterotypes... added into crack pot theories...

 

[THoG-777]

Y'see that's the kind of attitude that means it's really difficult to address this issue seriously, sensibly, and openly. You've just proved my point. Thank you.

The fact that racism is assumed and brought into the equation as a motivation of me, the poster, because the perpetrators are generally non-white, generally maghreban...

There is a factor of the authorities going softly, softly on issues with particular cultural, racial, religious sensitivities, even in this country, hence the widespread consultation about proposals to create a new crime relating to forced marriages. Such widespread and extensive consultations are *very unusual* in the process of drafting legislation, and it has been acknowledged in radio interviews by politicians that this is to ensure that the communities don't feel singled out or discriminated against (and the communities particularly, but not exclusively, affected by this are Bangladeshi and from certain regions in Pakistan). The authorities are very aware that targeting certain non-white sections of society with legislation may be perceived to be racist by those sections of the community, hence there's a lot of pussyfooting.

But back to the issue of gang rapes of non-hijab wearing muslim women in France:

Check out the "Ni Putes Ni Soumises" (Neither Whores nor Submissives) section of Wikipedia. Some of the HLMs (housing projects) are quite lawless areas...

"... Two high-profile cases gave a particular impetus to NPNS during 2003. The first was that of Samira Bellil who published a book called Dans l'enfer des tournantes ("In Gang Rape Hell") in which she recounts her life as a girl under la loi des cités (the law of the housing projects) where she was gang raped on more than one occasion, the first time at age 13, afraid to speak out, and ultimately seen only as a sexual object, alienated and shunned by her family and some of her friends..."

[source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ni_Putes_Ni_Soumises ]

I could put up loads more links, there's plenty of information out there.

You can google the issue if you like, and then come back to me with a decent argument when you've bothered to do your research

My source of information over the years about this issue is not FN, but I've read and heard about it through mainstream French media organisations when I lived there, and I've occasionally read about it in British broadsheets and also heard about it on Radio 4, and it's probably come up on bulletins like Channel 4 News... hardly well known organs for virulent racism, wouldn't you say?

But then you wouldn't know that, would you? Because I guess the plight of young French muslim girls being gang raped by their 'friends' and neighbours in their own communities would go under your radar, you're more interested in accusing people of white on non-white racism and assuming that someone who mentions a serious issue like this has got their information from FN, says a lot more about you and your prejudice than about me and mine.

For the record (and not that I should need to justify myself but because I feel I now *have* to - thank to you, cheers - to dissociate myself with such twisted motivations as you have incorrectly assumed: I'm a muslim woman. My knowledge about and interest in this issue is based on my concern for my muslim sisters.

Yes Yes, muslim culture is crap and oppresive and they should all be made to bugger off back to Akhbar-haq-haqbar-land. Its hardly the rest of societies fault if they think they should rape their women for not covering their faces up in shame. Glad I'm not a bloody raghead anyway.

 

[camouflage]

However I can't see that any institution like that should be legally defined as a school. It's just a training camp really.

Top point.

 

[JoePolitix]

Moderators?

Yes Yes, muslim culture is crap and oppresive and they should all be made to bugger off back to Akhbar-haq-haqbar-land. Its hardly the rest of societies fault if they think they should rape their women for not covering their faces up in shame. Glad I'm not a bloody raghead anyway.

Rule 7 of the Urban 75 list rules states that racism is not permitted on this site. In which case what are the mods going to do about the above posting?

 

[camouflage]

Is that racist or religionist, or even antisemetic?

 

[mk12]

Akhbar-haq-haqbar-land

What's that like? Any nice beaches?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Rule 7 of the Urban 75 list rules states that racism is not permitted on this site. In which case what are the mods going to do about the above posting?

The mods are going to look back on the poster's past contributions (few as they are) and think "hmm, I'm guessing that's sarcasm". Well, this mod is, anyway.

 

[JoePolitix]

The mods are going to look back on the poster's past contributions (few as they are) and think "hmm, I'm guessing that's sarcasm". Well, this mod is, anyway.

Mmm maybe, that’s what I initially thought but the phrase "Its hardly the rest of societies fault if they think they should rape their women for not covering their faces up in shame" kinda made me think otherwise.

Very poorly executed if it is meant to be sarcasm, which can be hard to portray on these forums at the best of times.

 

[poet]

If they recieve state funding it should be withdrawn, otherwise any organisation should be free to accept or reject who they like. The right to freely enter into contracts includes discrimination - however unpaletable it might seem to us, it is not for us to legislate as to which types of discrimination are right and which are wrong (all societies permit and some even support some types of discrimination, best thing is to keep the state and the law out of it). There will be a place for her at another school where she will surely be a thousand times happier, that's the joy of freedom. People involved in the school rightly or wrongly believe that people from different backgrounds to their children should not attend and in their minds have very good reasons, as long as we don't have to pay for them to do it then it's their right.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Well no. This is discrimination, short simple and just as unpleasant. This isn't a case of someone joining an all girls school then jumping up in a lesson before exposingwaving his willy about. This is a child being expelled because of thier parent's perfectly legal sexual orientation.

So you also agree with the forcible imposition of our views on human rights, in Muslim countries, vis a vis treatment of women?

 

[pbman]

and so you chose a religious site to back up your opinions, oh come on

Is it really that hard for you to admit that maybe there are different view points on this one?

Views are not reality.

Anyways you implied a bit more than that.

 

[pbman]

what a load of cook. Its what happened to the vanquished in war.

I was clearly referning to the slavery refred to in the bible.

War was anouther way, for people to become slaves.

 

[pbman]

Yes, Pbman, they do. They have drug dealers and the whole bit in "Christian" schools. Stop believing everything you're told and look with your own eyes.

I have they are much better.

Now you do the same and quite pretending they are identical.

 

[pbman]

Top point.

Nice brown nosing.

 

[newharper]

I try hard to understand the leftist position set out in this thread. I equally dislike discrimination, but I also dislike the interference with individual rights.

I suppose it boils down to whether or not you're prepared to allow others to hold beliefs that are at odds with your own.

Fundamental .

At what point do rights kick in.

I'd say that once you're born you have certain rights, not the full whack natch, but some protection against indoctrination shall we say.

When we lived in Germany (81-93), if you were not allowed to give your kids stupid names as it was/is considered against the childs basic Human Rights.

quite right too imo.

 

[pbman]

If they recieve state funding it should be withdrawn, otherwise any organisation should be free to accept or reject who they like. The right to freely enter into contracts includes discrimination - however unpaletable it might seem to us, it is not for us to legislate as to which types of discrimination are right and which are wrong (all societies permit and some even support some types of discrimination, best thing is to keep the state and the law out of it). There will be a place for her at another school where she will surely be a thousand times happier, that's the joy of freedom. People involved in the school rightly or wrongly believe that people from different backgrounds to their children should not attend and in their minds have very good reasons, as long as we don't have to pay for them to do it then it's their right.

Why?

Religiouse folks pay taxes to support the education of their children.

Why can't they get their own money back like everyone else who sends their children to alternative schools?

If alterantive schools are going to recive their fair share, what gives the govt the right to discriminate randomly on who gets the money?

http://www.google.com/search?source...LD,GGLD:2004-21,GGLD:en&q=alternative+schools

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I have they are much better.

Now you do the same and quite pretending they are identical.

You're the one who tarring public schools with the same brush. Christian schools are much like public schools because Christians arn't better than everyone else. They are just like everyone else and have the exact same problems.

BTW. I went to a public school that was so bad that the federal government took it over and I'd stack my education against yours any day of the week.