Say goodbye Circle Line and hello to the, err, Spiral Line
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It's been common knowledge amongst us poor sods who use the Hammersmith on the western end that H&C trains are regularly used to "subsidise" the Circle line anyway. Many, many times I've been on an H&C train that suddenly turns into a Circle at Edgware Road - sometimes in fact just after I've told some tourist "yes, this is a Hammersmith and City train". Not so bad if you're eastbound but a pain if you're westbound.
There's something really badly fucked with the system on the western end. Just past rush hour the entire thing grinds to a halt. Trains go into Hammersmith station and just don't come out again. I get on at Goldhawk Road, and it's perfectly common to see five or six trains going into Hammersmith before one comes out. In fact, I've seen them backed up out of Hammersmith and up to Goldhawk Road, quite literally - it's a straight line between the two, you can see all the way.
I don't know what causes this, some shift changeover or regulation or something, but it's badly fucked as I say. Don't get the H&C westbound past about 9.30 unless you have a good book or a Gameboy.
The best morning I had there was standing next to a guy who was some sort of LU supervisor, and had come off a night shift and was heading home. Then the trains started piling up. He was on his mobile, "this is fucking shit I don't know what you cunts are doing but it's fucking unacceptable tell me who's fucking running the fucking show there I want a fucking word with the cunt I'll have his fucking job", and then he'd say "sorry for the language" to everyone else on the platform, then make another call, "what the FUCK is FUCKING happening"....
a couple of additional points - all the new trains on the sub surface lines (Met, District, Circle, H&C) will be the same, just some different lengths which should increase reliability as they'll be able to swap trains between lines that are broken etc.
however as the hammersmith and city line will be terminating at aldgate/edgware road via the loop, the met line will be extended to barking. i wonder what effect running a service from amersham/watford/uxbridge all the way to barking will have on reliability? only the central line runs a similar length and that has less potential to go wrong than the sub surface lines with all the junctons and different services operated etc
however as the hammersmith and city line will be terminating at aldgate/edgware road via the loop, the met line will be extended to barking. i wonder what effect running a service from amersham/watford/uxbridge all the way to barking will have on reliability? only the central line runs a similar length and that has less potential to go wrong than the sub surface lines with all the junctons and different services operated etc
The Met line is not going to Barking anymore!
teuchter
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This was reported in the Londonpaper this evening.
But the diagram they show is a bit different to the one linked to in the OP.
So have the plans changed or is it just good old journalistic incompetence from the Londonpaper?
I am putting my money on the latter.
http://www.thelondonpaper.com/cs/Sa...155810336?packedargs=suffix=ArticleController
But the diagram they show is a bit different to the one linked to in the OP.
So have the plans changed or is it just good old journalistic incompetence from the Londonpaper?
I am putting my money on the latter.
http://www.thelondonpaper.com/cs/Sa...155810336?packedargs=suffix=ArticleController
"Might" in a headline always means "we have no fucking idea but the cunt on the night news desk says we have to put some shit in here."
That article is wrong of course!
It won't go via Earl's Court or the Hammersmith district and piccadilly station!
The line will run from Hammersmith to Edgware Road via Kings Cross, Victoria and High Street Kensington.
It will still be yellow on the map.
The District line will have less trains running between High Street Kensington and Edgware Road, though the new circle (saucepan line) will run slightly more often.
It won't go via Earl's Court or the Hammersmith district and piccadilly station!
The line will run from Hammersmith to Edgware Road via Kings Cross, Victoria and High Street Kensington.
It will still be yellow on the map.
The District line will have less trains running between High Street Kensington and Edgware Road, though the new circle (saucepan line) will run slightly more often.
This was reported in the Londonpaper this evening.
But the diagram they show is a bit different to the one linked to in the OP.
So have the plans changed or is it just good old journalistic incompetence from the Londonpaper?
I am putting my money on the latter.
http://www.thelondonpaper.com/cs/Sa...155810336?packedargs=suffix=ArticleController
That route to run Circle Line trains "through Hammersmith" would presumably involve them having to build a connection between the seperate H&C and District/Piccadilly stations at Hammersmith, either building a new tunnel or demolishing Hammersmith Bus Station and the shopping centre. My money's on good old journalistic incompetence too
Where are those terrorists hiding these days?
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u guys should already have noticed that actually there are no physical differences in trains running Circle, H & C and a branch of District Lines.
This can be clearly hinted at the overhead Line Map in the carriages. The three (note only one branch of District) are printed together. Actually those trains inter-operate (although may not do so during service hours), and the only change needed is the destination board on front of the train.
Now they just plan to make those inter-operations more frequently and hence, officially.
However I still like the circle line of a city (many cities have such a line) where anyone can board and have a good relax. Circular trains never persuade you to get off at your destination, which is, sometimes, enjoyable.
This can be clearly hinted at the overhead Line Map in the carriages. The three (note only one branch of District) are printed together. Actually those trains inter-operate (although may not do so during service hours), and the only change needed is the destination board on front of the train.
Now they just plan to make those inter-operations more frequently and hence, officially.
However I still like the circle line of a city (many cities have such a line) where anyone can board and have a good relax. Circular trains never persuade you to get off at your destination, which is, sometimes, enjoyable.
As others have predicted (was it here, above, or somewhere even geekier?) I expect total bloody chaos West of Edgware Road.
I was wondering what it would cost to put in a second pair of tracks between Praed Street Junction and Edgware Road. It's not far. But I think they buggered the chances when they built the new blocks round Paddington Basin: google maps
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Staring idly at a Hammersmith and City map earlier this evening, it struck me that as good a reason as any for doing it this way is that the new map will look cool:
Why are Paddington (Bakerloo) and Paddington (C&H&C) divorced? They are linked on the current map (in fact shown as three linked dots).
To make room for an elegant curve
They're not linked on http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/standard-tube-map.gif
That may not be the very latest dotted-walking-route version, but they are a long walk from each other.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
To make room for an elegant curve
They're not linked on http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/standard-tube-map.gif
True.
I was looking at an out-of-date map obviously.
The other question is: can we establish a name for the line, starting here?
"Tubeprune" calls it the T cup for reasons which - call me excessively topological - escape me.
Classicists would clearly like it to be the "backward sigma line" (σ).
So I reckon it's the Squiggle Line.
Yes?
"Tubeprune" calls it the T cup for reasons which - call me excessively topological - escape me.
Classicists would clearly like it to be the "backward sigma line" (σ).
So I reckon it's the Squiggle Line.
Yes?
cybertect
It's grim up north (London)
That's one of those details that seems to get tweaked slightly with every other revision of the map. Usually there's a closer implicit link between the existing C&D and Bakerloo than there is with the H&S, though the C&D and Bakerloo are always represented as separate, but linked. Sometimes all three are connected by two contiguous links, more rarely by the triangular arrangement.
Laptop's version has the the former C&D and Bakerloo stations as one dot, which is very unusual - it was done in 1938, 1939 and 1940 (a weird departure and not Beck's design, but by Hans Scheger).
TFL's current version has the H&S station as a separate entity.
Harry Beck's 1933 version of the map has the current C&D line station listed separately under its original name of Paddington Praed Street (on the Metropolitan Line). It was renamed Paddington in 1948, when the 'Inner Circle' was first shown on the map.
Variations from 1951, 1977, 1985, Nov 1994, 2000, Jan 2006, Nov 2006
e2a: I see the discussion has already been had. I do have an extensive collection of Tube maps of my own
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Crispy
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Crispy
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There's a semi-trial of the teacup this weekend. H&C works as usual but the circle will stop and start at Edgeware. Oooooh, exciting.
The Brussels metro implemented a teacup service in April.
The Edgware-road equivalent station is Simonis. Because they also have trains running Simonis-Simonis, and because they don't do "north" or "clockwise" on train destination indicators but instead give the terminus, they confusingly renamed two of the platforms Simonis (Léopold II) and the other two Simonis (Elizabeth)... so people would (in theory) know which way round the train was going.
The Edgware-road equivalent station is Simonis. Because they also have trains running Simonis-Simonis, and because they don't do "north" or "clockwise" on train destination indicators but instead give the terminus, they confusingly renamed two of the platforms Simonis (Léopold II) and the other two Simonis (Elizabeth)... so people would (in theory) know which way round the train was going.
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