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saw a demo of a future xbox yesterday - project natal

kained&able said:
Oh obviously, BUT with a decent ammount of power and decent graphics behind it.

if they release a star wars light sabre duelling game im blates going to have to get it.


dave(watches star wars kid for inspiration)
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Will they be proper lightsabres?

No.

Worthless.
 
saw a demo of a future xbox yetserday - project natal

ChrisFilter said:
Really? Really? It's scope is far beyond that of the Wii.

People don't see to get just how advanced this tech is.
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And that's the point, to play Ninty at their own game they have to leap frog them with the tech otherwise it won't draw interest.

I think KS has a pertinent point about the level of physical energy needed for this too...

But you know I'm not writing this off just expressing some skeptisism. ;)
 
Crispy said:
No, it reads your complete body position and maps it onto the ingame character. It's way more sophisticated than eyetoy. It scans the whole room in 3d. It can recognise faces - much more accurately than a camera-based system because it can read the 3d contours of your face.

Gesture motion on the wii is the biggest innovation this generation. Simplifying videogames for the masses. And revol thinks I'm silly :D
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The Wii while good in theory didn't turn out as great as promised which is what I think will happen with Natal however at least steps are being made while the PC stagnates further as a gaming platform.

As for simplifying for the masses why would you want that,it's the gaming equivalent of going into a bookstore and getting rid of any books that look too highbrow and replacing them with childrens comics and colouring in books.
 
saw a demo of a future xbox yetserday - project natal

XR75 said:
The Wii while good in theory didn't turn out as great as promised which is what I think will happen with Natal however at least steps are being made while the PC stagnates further as a gaming platform.

As for simplifying for the masses why would you want that,it's the gaming equivalent of going into a bookstore and getting rid of any books that look too highbrow and replacing them with childrens comics and colouring in books.
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And books by Dan Brown.
 
revol68 said:
Fuck the Wii and it's bringing gaming to the whole family shite, fucking party game crap. Games are meant to be played in the dark by yourself or perhaps a group of mates, they aren't meant for your mum and your sisters mates to stick on in the living room and make dicks of themselves after one too many Bacardi Breezers and Lambrinis, that's what karaoke was made for.
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I know..how stupid are console manufacturers to want to make more money and broaden the appeal of gaming beyond angry little spunk monkeys like you who'd rather sit in a darkened room on your own or with your nerdy mates. Not very forward thinking are they....:facepalm:
 
Pingu said:
was at microsoft yesterday and as pasrt of the tour we got we saw a brief demo of some stuff they are working on

one of which was a next gen xbox.

had a camera just like you would get with something like "in the movies" (except it worked)

so imagine a wii... but without the need for controllers. you stand in front of the camera and it scans you. Then it can mimic your moves.

the demo we got was a driving game in which you could change gear and "use" a steering wheel without the need for actually having them. The motion thingy recognised your movements and did the apropriate actions. There is also a combat type game but it crashed out just as that was loading.


aslo got shown something that was straight out of minority report (that thingy where they move things about by pointing at them and moving their hands.

i was like a kid in a sweetshop
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See, being in a car simulator without a steering wheel is less realistic than having a steering wheel controller.

The wii has never appealed to me on the basis that I want to use a console to unwind and not have a cardiac arrest with. I hope the option to flail around your sofa like a jibbering idiot isn't compulsory with next gen consoles.
 
I was watching an episode of a certain crap us superhero show earlier :o

They had someone playing an xbox with natal on it. From what i saw , il be giving it a miss
 
the times i get most into games i'm generally completely drugfucked and unable to move anywhere... this will not be of interest to me. it's a clever innovation but i'm not too sure how successful it'll be- there will always be a core of gamers who want control pad/joystick(fuck!haven't used one of them in a while unless you count thumbsticks)/keyboard+mouse and for the most part they (or rather we ;)) seem to be louder when it comes to actual games. i don't get the party gaming thing- i'll have a night playing MW2 special ops with a mate but when i have a few people round turning the computer on is not high on the agenda.
 
Boycey said:
the times i get most into games i'm generally completely drugfucked and unable to move anywhere... this will not be of interest to me. it's a clever innovation but i'm not too sure how successful it'll be- there will always be a core of gamers who want control pad/joystick(fuck!haven't used one of them in a while unless you count thumbsticks)/keyboard+mouse and for the most part they (or rather we ;)) seem to be louder when it comes to actual games. i don't get the party gaming thing- i'll have a night playing MW2 special ops with a mate but when i have a few people round turning the computer on is not high on the agenda.
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I suspect ChrisF may be right, the 'social' gamer is a huge number of people...
 
I just want to fight people on it that will be the fun part. Although it could be awesome for rpg' and fps as well i guess. Genuinely wondering around the place could get quite immersive. Doom 3 used to shit me up quite nicely anyway but in a completely dark room with me actually controlling the on screen character it could be epic.

Of course it could also be really shit with a clunky interface no decent games support and a complete waste of money. I'm certainly not ruling that out.

Also while i agree with c66 that for driving games you need a steering wheel, in theory there will be nothing stopping you going to a local scrap yard and buying a genuine car steering wheel for fuck all and using that. Which is kinda cool.


dave
 
kained&able said:
I just want to fight people on it that will be the fun part. Although it could be awesome for rpg' and fps as well i guess. Genuinely wondering around the place could get quite immersive. Doom 3 used to shit me up quite nicely anyway but in a completely dark room with me actually controlling the on screen character it could be epic.

Of course it could also be really shit with a clunky interface no decent games support and a complete waste of money. I'm certainly not ruling that out.

Also while i agree with c66 that for driving games you need a steering wheel, in theory there will be nothing stopping you going to a local scrap yard and buying a genuine car steering wheel for fuck all and using that. Which is kinda cool.


dave
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MS are pouring an enormous load of cash into this. Much like with the Xbox, they won't let it fail.
 
This is microsoft we are talking about though chris i'm sure they poured loads of money into internet explorer, silverlight and windows me.

Anyway its not really up to them its up to the games producers in the most part.

Although i think they produce forza, gears of war, halo and a few other don't they? So there should be a few decent titles for it i guess.


dave
 
kained&able said:
Anyway its not really up to them its up to the games producers in the most part.

Although i think they produce forza, gears of war, halo and a few other don't they? So there should be a few decent titles for it i guess.


dave
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i think they technically own a few games producers- i think m$ buying bungie was about the point that apple gave up on games.
 
kained&able said:
I just want to fight people on it that will be the fun part. Although it could be awesome for rpg' and fps as well i guess. Genuinely wondering around the place could get quite immersive. Doom 3 used to shit me up quite nicely anyway but in a completely dark room with me actually controlling the on screen character it could be epic.

Of course it could also be really shit with a clunky interface no decent games support and a complete waste of money. I'm certainly not ruling that out.

Also while i agree with c66 that for driving games you need a steering wheel, in theory there will be nothing stopping you going to a local scrap yard and buying a genuine car steering wheel for fuck all and using that. Which is kinda cool.


dave
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nae force feedback though like.
 
revol68 said:
Fuck the Wii and it's bringing gaming to the whole family shite, fucking party game crap. Games are meant to be played in the dark by yourself or perhaps a group of mates, they aren't meant for your mum and your sisters mates to stick on in the living room and make dicks of themselves after one too many Bacardi Breezers and Lambrinis, that's what karaoke was made for.
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;)
 
I'm off to test some Project Natal titles out tonight at a MS Game Studio, will let you know what I think. So far Ive been underwhelmed by the videos of it online but that was all last years E3 stuff so I'm hoping it's come on a bit.
 
Kid_Eternity said:
How was it?
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Obviously I got embargoed so can't type up too much about what was played on the net for fear of my own life!!

However it actually works quite well with how it detects you and your body movement so lots of potential, but again I feel only in the sense of casual/family gaming.

It's pretty much Wii, but it's very impressive watching your avatar move as you do. Ie. if you stand slouching, then so will your character, you have to make a bit more effort then you do with the Wii and it feels much more natural.

Worked well for some of the stuff we played and not so well for others. I can't imagine too many A+ titles and FPS type stuff really. It's going to be very party based software I think, which is all well and good as long as the camera itself isn't too pricey. If it's any more than £50 it would be silly. Also better than the Wii in the fact once you've bought the camera, that's it. Unlike the Wii where if you want to play 4 player you need to spend another £90 on controllers. So IMO they need to price it less than this to cut out the Wii market, especially as Xbox's tend to be cheaper than Wii's anyway now. (Well Arcade systems anyway!) It does work multiplayer so you can have more than one person infront of the camera and it latches onto you very well.

Once some stuff has been officially announced @ E3 I'll go into more detail with some of the titles we played. :)
 
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