[Sat 28th Oct 2017] London Anarchist Bookfair (London)

Discussion in 'protest, direct action and demos' started by Kate Sharpley, May 30, 2017.

London Anarchist Bookfair
Start Date: Sat 28th Oct 2017 10:00 AM
End Date: Sat 28th Oct 2017 07:00 PM
Time Zone: Europe/London +01:00 BST

Location:
Park View School
West Green Road,
London N15 3QR

Posted By: Kate Sharpley

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  1. Athos

    Athos Well-Known Member

    Who decides whether or not they're anarchists? Support and solidarity no matter what they've done?
     
  2. Magnus McGinty

    Magnus McGinty Wh♂️

    Punching feminists doesn’t seem like a professed anarchist position. This is why they’re having to be deemed fascists, to justify it.
     
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  3. Thimble Queen

    Thimble Queen Sparkly cat whisperer

    Isn't TFW in Class War?
     
  4. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model One star in sight

    tfw? e2a:ric
     
  5. MadeInBedlam

    MadeInBedlam Arm the mentally ill

    Tara flic wood
     
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  6. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model One star in sight

    ta
     
  7. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    Well. Probably not me, is the short answer.

    I would think being a member of an established anarchist group would go in the + column though.

    If someone was in a group I was involved with and they did something like that I would hope they'd be given a talking to and also efforts would be made to stop them going to prison or whatever.

    There are obviously lots of examples of things that I personally think are beyond the pale for that sort of solidarity: genocide, pouring LSD into the water supply, trying to blow up the moon with a thermonuclear device, etc.
     
  8. Athos

    Athos Well-Known Member

    I understand your position, and can see how it might be within the range of responses consistent with anarchism. Personally, whilst I wouldn't want to see a former comrade imprisoned, I think this individual forfeited the right to active solidarity by their actions (which are at odds with what I understand to be some pretty fundamental anarchist principles).
     
  9. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model One star in sight

    always good to see people who aren't anarchists harping on about anarchist principles.
     
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  10. Athos

    Athos Well-Known Member

    Have I been thrown out?
     
  11. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model One star in sight

    on yer way

    you haven't been thrown out, of course. i hope to enjoy more of your posts about anarchism.
     
  12. Athos

    Athos Well-Known Member

    And I yours. Though experience suggests likely disappointment. :p
     
  13. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model One star in sight

    Yeh compared to your posts on other areas your efforts here aren't so strong
     
  14. Athos

    Athos Well-Known Member

    Damned with faint praise.
     
  15. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    Similarly I understand that. I'd prefer it if the movement were able to resolve these issues without involving the cops and courts. I appreciate that is utopian and unlikely, especially when non-anarchists are involved.
     
  16. LynnDoyleCooper

    LynnDoyleCooper Up against the wall motherfucker.

    I take it by the lack of advertising for an 'alternative' bookfair event this autumn that those who were shouting about putting something better on aren't actually doing it?
     
  17. MadeInBedlam

    MadeInBedlam Arm the mentally ill

    Radical bookfair in Nottingham in November if that counts
     
  18. LynnDoyleCooper

    LynnDoyleCooper Up against the wall motherfucker.

    No, but thanks!
     
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  19. Magnus McGinty

    Magnus McGinty Wh♂️

    Of course they’re not. Adding your name to a list of signatories is much easier than putting in actual graft.
     
  20. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model One star in sight

    Any bf this year would I believe be such a clusterfuck of terf trans twattery that it would make last year's little contretemps appear trivial by comparison. But it will bugger, in its sense as a technical financial term, many organisations which relied on the bf for much of their annual income.
     
  21. crossthebreeze

    crossthebreeze Well-Known Member

    No its not - incidents of domestic violence are almost always part of a systemic pattern of behaviour on the part of the abuser aimed at controlling a specific person or persons that they have a close relationship with (partner, family member, etc). Even if it was a one-off incident, the effect on the victim and motivation of the abuser is different to other kinds of violence because of the close relationship. TFW etc's behaviour was disgusting, stupid and wrong but giving legal support to someone who's done that is not at all the same as taking the side of a domestic abuser.
     
  22. winjer

    winjer holocene death beat

    To support the only person prosecuted was no choice at all, and one which everybody active in LDMG at the time supported then and still does.

    Anyone who thinks the end of LDMG was down to that choice is quite mistaken, and should re-read LDMG's statement after case.
    It would be a mistake to think anyone active in LDMG will simply stop doing court support work.
     
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  23. winjer

    winjer holocene death beat

    A scuffle over a camera. This isn't even the defence account, it's the complainant's!

    LDMG didn't defend anybody on the basis of their affiliations, with most defendants this would be impossible to ascertain.
     
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  24. Athos

    Athos Well-Known Member

    You seemed to suggest they'd defend anyone arrested at a demo. But that can't be true, surely?
     
  25. winjer

    winjer holocene death beat

    How so? What other selection process is available?
     
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  26. Athos

    Athos Well-Known Member

    So they'd defend a neo-nazi, say, who was arrested for beating up a black person at fascist demo? Really?
     
  27. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model One star in sight

    I'm not sure you've grasped what anarchist legal support to other anarchists and similar consists of
     
  28. Athos

    Athos Well-Known Member

    Having provided such legal support, I think I have a fair idea. But winjer said that, in this case, it wasn't based upon any affiliation i.e. not because the defendant claims to be an anarchist (which position would at least have been consistent, and is, I think, the official LDMG stance). So, I'm trying to establish the basis upon which winjer thinks they decided to provide support. winjer seems to be suggesting the only quantifying condition waa prosecution following arrest at a demonstration. But I find that unbelievable (and gave a hypothetical example to make that point).
     
    Last edited: Jun 23, 2018
  29. Red Sky

    Red Sky It was like that when I got here.

    It's not what you think , it's who you know?
     
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  30. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model One star in sight

    It's not what Athos' contrarian post suggested
     

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