[Sat 28th Oct 2017] London Anarchist Bookfair (London)

Discussion in 'protest, direct action and demos' started by Kate Sharpley, May 30, 2017.

London Anarchist Bookfair
Start Date: Sat 28th Oct 2017 10:00 AM
End Date: Sat 28th Oct 2017 07:00 PM
Time Zone: Europe/London +01:00 BST

Location:
Park View School
West Green Road,
London N15 3QR

Posted By: Kate Sharpley

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  1. MadeInBedlam

    MadeInBedlam Arm the mentally ill

    Doesn’t even make the subs bench :(
     
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  2. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    not even in the stadium :(
     
  3. LynnDoyleCooper

    LynnDoyleCooper Up against the wall motherfucker.

    I demand someone from a long standing anarchist grouping, preferably a cis-man with a grey beard and tweed suit, sitting at at the entrance to the next Bookfair checking anarchist credentials in front of a dusty computer from the '80s.

    "Green Party? Momentum? Think Corbyn's a sweetie? Hmmm, computer says no."
     
  4. MadeInBedlam

    MadeInBedlam Arm the mentally ill

    I was born in the wrong era :(
     
  5. LynnDoyleCooper

    LynnDoyleCooper Up against the wall motherfucker.

    Give this thread a bit longer so you have a few more pages to read and you'll be old before your time.
     
  6. TopCat

    TopCat Gone away, no forwarding address

    The reality is we are not going to allow a self appointed bunch of agenda holders to dictate who is allowed to peddle what line at the bookfair, respecting their right of veto over the event if they are not satisfied.
    Green Party members can fuck off, as can the pro religionists and the stupid cunt who burned our banner.
    People who rock up just to sow division can fuck off as well.
    We should hold the bookfair in the future and let any cunts picketing the event feel the heat.
    Forward comrades!
     
  7. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    As malatesta would have said, avanti!
     
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  8. Nice one

    Nice one Well-Known Member

    done a search of the thread and nobody, absolutely nobody has mentioned or repeated there is a conspiracy of lgbt sexual politics being an agenda by the state. In fact nobody has mention conspiracy at all apart from yourself in countering arguments no-one has actually made. :confused:

    The only thing that could possibly allude to this is when someone posted up helen steel's facebook post. Is this what you mean? And if it is can you be clear about it? Do you think what helen steel wrote has an anti-semitic subtext? She didn't mention 'shadowy elites' though, no-one's mentioned shadowy elites.

    What we do have is the state's secret services employing a classic case of pinkwashing. And yes pinkwashing is employed by state agencies precisely because the british state deports lgbt people to their death.
     
  9. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    How is being trans a progressive political identity?
     
  10. LynnDoyleCooper

    LynnDoyleCooper Up against the wall motherfucker.

  11. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    LynnDoyleCooper mentioned the shadowy establishment:
    according to wikipedia
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    perhaps you owe frogwoman an apology
     
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  12. frogwoman

    frogwoman лягушкая женщина

    the idea that MI5 and the UK state is pushing 'progressive sexual politics' (in order to do what?) in order to divide movements etc is a conspiracy. its nonsensical. and frankly if the state is using the idea of respect for LGBT people or not to divide movements, then maybe they deserve to be divided tbh.
    Did you read smokedout's post where he posted up that statement, where it mentioned 'MI5 and bankers' promoting this? and i read the original thread with helen steel and think some of the comments on that origianl thread about 'bankers' being involved in the LGBT movement and pushing this 'trans agenda' have an antisemitic subtext yes.
    even if they didn't have this subtext, it is still a nonsensical, and offensive idea. all of these things that were actually fought for by the LGBT movement weren't just given away, it was decades of people fighting for their rights.
    if you weren't promoting a conspiracy theory or this wasn't in fact what you were saying, then i'm sorry. but looking at the thread i'm definitely not the only one that interpreted your post this way.
     
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  13. Magnus McGinty

    Magnus McGinty Wh♂️

    I thought it just pertained to eg Barclays sponsoring Pride. Which is actually a thing.
     
  14. Sea Star

    Sea Star FUCK OFF

    Add to that the whole Big Pharma conspiracy - definitely getting into David Icke territory.

    And as for the state using support for trans people to cause division in the left, that strategy does rely on useful idiots on the left buying into transphobic ideas, largely supplied by the media such as the Times, the Spectator and the Mail. Nothing fishy about that. :facepalm:
     
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  15. Sea Star

    Sea Star FUCK OFF

    Barclays sponsored pride - indeed, corporate sponsored Pride, is distinctly trans unfriendly as well as being racist, among many other problems. So how this all got conflated into conspiracy theories about trans people is unclear.
     
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  16. frogwoman

    frogwoman лягушкая женщина

    no
    so what exactly do you think is happening here? yes, MI5 and the cops do promote themselves as an inclusive workplace, lots of employers do this.
    and there have been and are *loads* of LGBT activists upset over the pinkwashing of pride etc, it's quite a major issue in the LGBT activism and has been since as long as I can remember, companies recuperating the idea of pride, commercial outfits and MI5 etc getting in on the act. i think at the moment there's a pride march which the organisers have asked people not to have any political content on the march because 'its a celebration not a protest'. so it's definitely untrue to say 'those outraged by it are the ones that get criticised'.
    and 'the reproduction of social values that validate your identity' - well what kind of social values are these exactly? what are you saying should happen, as it seems to imply that people should be sceptical of trans people in general because MI5 won some award?
    what steel said is very different, she said that trans rights and GRA changes were being promoted by 'MI5 and bankers'. i dont think thats the same thing at all tbh.
     
  17. Magnus McGinty

    Magnus McGinty Wh♂️

    I agree with that. All it shows really is that Pride has been co-opted by the establishment.
     
  18. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    not to mention that an identity, be it sexual orientation or gender, is not in itself progressive. any community or set of people with a defining characteristic be it heterosexuality or transgenderism, is going to contain people with a range of political ideas from revolutionary anarchism to high toryism: but i look forward to Nice one explaining his thinking on the matter.
     
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  19. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    i remember back round 1999, 2000 there was an alternative pride for people who were pissed off by the commerciality of the main one.
     
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  20. frogwoman

    frogwoman лягушкая женщина

    this statement to me is not just saying that trans activists shouldn't accept an award to MI5 or be outraged at them doing so, being outraged at the commercialisation of pride, etc.
    It's linking the trans activist movement to a conspiracy, saying that it's 'achieved so many gains so fast across the world', saying it's 'creating division' and demands absolute adherence to an ideology, etc. It is true that some of the SJWs have been a bit silly, and completely counterproductive, but when you have plans to no platform speakers being banned by government, people like jordan peterson specifically get his career kick started by ridiculing trans people and saying that he will refuse to refer to anyone except by biological sex, etc, it's very clear this is far from the truth. and IIRC the GRA consultations have now been shelved anyway (maybe someone can confirm this?)
     
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  21. frogwoman

    frogwoman лягушкая женщина

    yeah what is a 'progressive political identity'?
     
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  22. frogwoman

    frogwoman лягушкая женщина

    It simply isn't true that transgender people are achieving 'faster gains' than other minorities. See here:

    In Rescinding Transgender Prisoner Protections, Trump Administration Again Targets the Most Vulnerable
     
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  23. Sea Star

    Sea Star FUCK OFF

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  24. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    yeh everyone's ignorant with the truth known only to a few elect. right.
     
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  25. stethoscope

    stethoscope Well-Known Member

    I realise it's a statement from various people/groups rather than a presented as a motion/discussion piece, but given some of the names who have signed it, I thought it was pretty weak when I read it - sure it's trans-supportive, but it seems a bit wishy washy and clumsy in some respects and lacking the sort of clarity and definitely class analysis which I'd want to see - the AWL/Booth piece is so much stronger.

    In the meantime, it looks like it's also kicked off a war of words between Freedom and Steel...

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    I don't know where positive any of this is likely to go in terms of solidarity and radical/anarchist movements.
     
  26. LynnDoyleCooper

    LynnDoyleCooper Up against the wall motherfucker.

    Fuck that Twitter exchange is depressing - it's the whole row encapsulated.

    That sentence Helen first draws attention to I had to read a few times and was still a bit wtf.
     
  27. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    This is exactly what I thought when I saw it too. Plus the language (hate, sick, despise) is more punk rock than the situation demands and won't help.
     
  28. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    the situation is beyond help.
     
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  29. frogwoman

    frogwoman лягушкая женщина

    the AWL piece goes a long way to refuting some of the specific points raised by the radfems too.
     
  30. LynnDoyleCooper

    LynnDoyleCooper Up against the wall motherfucker.

    Anarchism: a good political idea ruined by punk rock.
     

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