[Sat 28th Oct 2017] London Anarchist Bookfair (London)

Discussion in 'protest, direct action and demos' started by Kate Sharpley, May 30, 2017.

London Anarchist Bookfair
Start Date: Sat 28th Oct 2017 10:00 AM
End Date: Sat 28th Oct 2017 07:00 PM
Time Zone: Europe/London +01:00 BST

Location:
Park View School
West Green Road,
London N15 3QR

Posted By: Kate Sharpley

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  1. Sea Star

    Sea Star have you ever explored your dark side?

    I don't want your support. I'm a woman and I will not be segregated or treated as "other".


    ETA - this represents a roll back of rights. At the moment many trans people are able to go stealth after changing birth certificate and are able to live as their experienced gender with no serious issues. To force trans people - men, women and non-binary people presumably, not just women, into trans only facilities would out them as trans forever and require that we all be documented as trans and carry some sort of identifying documentation - or maybe a bar-code(?).

    It would also mean that your feelings are being placed above those who feel that trans women are women and want us to be seen that way, and given the same rights and protections.

    I don't think that transitioning would even work as a treatment if we were forced to identify as a third gender or a second class version of our experienced gender. It would be a recipe for abuse, for discrimination and i suspect make life so much harder that the benefits of transitioning would be extremely marginal, maybe non-existent.

    Plus, for practical reasons - providing all those extra facilities would be expensive. If there were rape crisis centres for trans women then the facilities for women with wombs (presumably cis women without wombs would be excluded too) would suffer.

    And most of us don;t live in safe spaces - we live in the real world of work and having to negotiate landlords, employers, health providers and small minded offcialdom. We already get a huge amount of discrimination, but the thing that keeps me going is that one day i won't have to identify myself as trans any more to anyone and i'll finally get to live as a woman. Enforced segregation - if it was to be enforced - would mean that we never get to that. Life, to be honest, would become intolerable.

    Actually this is so insulting that I can't even deal with it. It's outrageous that someone would think that separate and not equal would work as a policy. I suspect you have no intention of supporting such an unworkable policy but just want trans women away from you. And for what reason? What risk do we pose to cis women? I consistently see a failure to provide evidence that widespread discrimination at huge cost to the state, to charities and other NGO's, to employers, to local authorities, would provide clear benefits to anyone at all. Would only result in the death of trans people, in my opinion.

    I'm not stopping short of equality.
     
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  2. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

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  3. MadeInBedlam

    MadeInBedlam Arm the mentally ill

    Do you have a screen shot?

    (‘Loading tweet’)
     
  4. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    Yeah that’s annoying. Hold on. It’s a twitter thread so difficult.

    If you click on the Past Tense tweet below it should take you to the thread.

    ETA: I wasn’t there, but there is a twitter thread from a trusted comrade who was.
     
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  5. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    Code:
    https://twitter.com/_pasttense_/status/924742739719278594
     
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  6. Rutita1

    Rutita1 Sassy McFlashy

    So we need to build 'Units' so that trans women feel safer? What about them feeling isolated, you imply you care about that. How will these trans units you think need building stop people feeling isolated?
     
  7. MadeInBedlam

    MadeInBedlam Arm the mentally ill

    Now you’re just being silly Fozzie
     
  8. Rutita1

    Rutita1 Sassy McFlashy

     
  9. Rutita1

    Rutita1 Sassy McFlashy

  10. MadeInBedlam

    MadeInBedlam Arm the mentally ill

    Nice one.
     
  11. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    Yeah see a few posts up - I edited.
     
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  12. Thimble Queen

    Thimble Queen person of tinge

    Seperate but equal, yeah ok.
     
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  13. Rutita1

    Rutita1 Sassy McFlashy


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  14. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    Yeah that one. thanks.
     
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  15. smokedout

    smokedout criminal

    The rate of transsexuality is usually estimated at around between one in a thousand to about one in 300, thats both male to female and female to male. Given that hopefully most of these people will never want to use a service such as a refuge then apart from in very big cities this is not a viable option. This view, even if well intentioned, amounts to saying that transwomen should just do something impossible and then they could have their own safe spaces. And that's before you even get into the argument that if transwomen are to be accepted as women, then they should be able to access services for women (which in reality they can already in many cases and there's been no outbreak of trans rapists in womens refuges that I'm aware of since a lot of organisations adopted a full inclusion policies).
     
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  16. Sea Star

    Sea Star have you ever explored your dark side?

    anyone who disagrees with TERFs now being called a "trans activist" clearly.
     
  17. crossthebreeze

    crossthebreeze Well-Known Member

    Did I really just read that I just that Helen Steel was called a fascist, accused of filming someone and passing it on to police, as well as being treated like that? Disgusting accusations to make against her.
     
  18. sunnysidedown

    sunnysidedown caput mortuum

    what more would you expect from spoilt brats?
     
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  19. YouSir

    YouSir Look out Laika, it's Earth.

    Ongoing too, people still arguing it on Twitter.
     
  20. MadeInBedlam

    MadeInBedlam Arm the mentally ill

  21. shygirl

    shygirl Well-Known Member

    I said 'fuck your snobbery' not 'you'.

    You're right, prisons are not safe spaces, per se, but they arguably become less safe if/when they have to be shared with people who were born as men and still possibly pose a risk to women. Bear in mind that most trans women do not transition physically. The prisoner who is currently segregated in a female prison committed rape. She is not segregated because of anything she's done whilst in prison, and I don't know the reason for her segregation. Perhaps the prisoners protested about someone who had raped two girls, who transitioned whilst in prison, being placed in a female prison.
     
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  22. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    I've said nothing about your use of urban dictionary so fuck you, chuck.
     
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  23. Magnus McGinty

    Magnus McGinty IdProle

    This mirrors anyone who disagrees with trans activists being called TERFs.
     
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  24. Magnus McGinty

    Magnus McGinty IdProle

    People just believe what they want nowadays. The battle of the narrative. Fake news.
     
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  25. The39thStep

    The39thStep Well-Known Member

    Funny old world, isn't it?
     
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  26. shygirl

    shygirl Well-Known Member

    I have no problem with trans-women. I just happen not to agree that trans-women are women in the sense that women who are born female are. Equality laws and sex-monitoring were established to address issues of sex-based discrimination, inequality and lack of opportunity and the GRA threatens to obscure this.

    Anyway, what is a woman? I'm intrigued to know what it 'feels' like to be a woman (other than as a gender stereo-type). I liked playing with boys and wearing boys' clothes when I was little, and playing dolls with my girlfriends, but that doesn't mean that I knew what it was to be a boy any more than I did about being a girl. I learnt how to 'be' a girl because society had it all worked out and applied rigidly.
     
  27. sunnysidedown

    sunnysidedown caput mortuum

    not even disagree, you only need to hesitate.
     
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  28. shygirl

    shygirl Well-Known Member

    Oh the irony of the trans-activists today calling Helen Steel and the other women fascists, whilst imposing their own nasty fascism on others. What a joke.
     
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  29. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    Was there a picket of T-Chances?
     
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  30. YouSir

    YouSir Look out Laika, it's Earth.

    'Fascist TERF cunt' was one I just saw. I'm well aware of my own ignorance on the issue but some of the abuse that seems to be going on is just obscene.
     

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