Salma Yaqoob on question time tonight (19/1)
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“When I post on these boards I do the best i can to fairly reprewsent the other guy and take her views seriously. If others do not or resort to abuse that is not my practice. It is however the consistent practice of some SWP hacks such as Nwnm for example.”
Just for the record, I tend to dish out abuse to either those who are abusive towards me or the ideas I hold, or in Nep’s case because he was expelled from my political party for personally abhorant behaviour, and only discovered ‘political’ differences with the SWP once he was on the outside looking in. TBH Nep is totally obsessed with the SWP, and most of his contributions on this site are either aimed at the SWP or at ‘debating’ SWP members. (It’s a shame really because we go back a very long way, and have been friends on and off on a personal level since the ‘70s. A friendship that continued at times despite his behaviour and his wildly inaccurate anti SWP rants. In fact he has been the only person on my ignore list on this site precisely to avoid that sort of crap).And how far away from the original thread have you moved things this time? For god’s sake man, stop acting like a jilted lover; move on and get a life.
Just for the record, I tend to dish out abuse to either those who are abusive towards me or the ideas I hold, or in Nep’s case because he was expelled from my political party for personally abhorant behaviour, and only discovered ‘political’ differences with the SWP once he was on the outside looking in. TBH Nep is totally obsessed with the SWP, and most of his contributions on this site are either aimed at the SWP or at ‘debating’ SWP members. (It’s a shame really because we go back a very long way, and have been friends on and off on a personal level since the ‘70s. A friendship that continued at times despite his behaviour and his wildly inaccurate anti SWP rants. In fact he has been the only person on my ignore list on this site precisely to avoid that sort of crap).And how far away from the original thread have you moved things this time? For god’s sake man, stop acting like a jilted lover; move on and get a life.
neprimerimye
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nwnm said:
To be Nwnm's 'contribution' is utter shite.
He and I do go back to the late 1970's. We were indeed friends and that friendship was renewed in the early 1990's. At which point I was around but not in the SWP. Indeed I recall with a certain amusement that on my, rather reluctantly, rejoining at Marxism Nwnm was far happier than I.
Then and for the next couple of years Nwnm associated himself with a group of comrades in the SWP including myself and Chilango who also posts to these boards from time to time. Indeed when I moved to another town Nwnm occupied a house with the core of that group.
As a matter of record Nwnms housemates will all recall that I had prior to rejoining and after criticisms of the SWP's perspectives of the time. In particular they will recall a debate in our mini-branch (of which Nwnm was not a member) around the film Romper Stomper, when despite disagreeing with the groups position I advocated carrying out the action mandated in Party Notes. In other conversations with my friends I also recall being highly critical of many aspects of the groups history specifically in regard to the effective abandonment of the rank and file strategy.
After about a year was expelled from the SWP, for sexual harassment although of who I was never certain, and visiting the house in which Nwnm dwelt found that with one exception they had all quit the SWP. Basically they felt they were being bullied by the then fulltimer into a sectarian position of splitting an activist group based around the local university.
Following which my involvement with the local SWP and Nwnm was zero for years. For obvious reasons I will not work with such people. More recently I was willing to let bygones be bygones. Despite provocations from certain other SWPers. But then Nwnm, lacking the ability to reply to legitimate criticisms of his group politically, resorted to repetition of nonsense from over ten years ago which he knows to be lies. I actually feel sorry for Nwnm that he has to resort to such methods but thats his problem.
Now for what its worth most of my posts on these boards have related to the SWP to some degree. Which despite Nwnm's peurile plea that I cease to criticise his organisation is my right for a number of reasons. In the first instance because the SWP is the most substantial left socialist group in this country. Secondly because, in my opinion, the SWP is departing from that political tradition which I continue to adhere to and thereby causing a great deal of damage to the struggle for workers power. Thirdly I have an interest in the history of the IS/SWP which I share with various IST comrades with whom I cooperate in various ways.
Frankly I pity Nwnm as in many ways he's an admirable comrade in that he works hard and does hate capitalism. But his view of his group is essentially religious and he hates it that anybody might criticise his church hence the resort to personal abuse time and time again. Not just against me by the way look through his posts and you will find him abusing people with mental health problems too. Which is doubly neauseating given that he is a psychiatric nurse by occupation! But yes i do resent his abuse of me and point out that in the period when I'm supposed to have been acting in manner "personally abhorant" Nwnm was spending rather a lot of tme hanging with me. But did he notce or say anything to me about this disgraceful behaviour? All of which can be and has been confiormed by Chilango on another theard btw but ask him if you doubt me.
Anyhow I'm sorry to have wasted so much time refuting this shite from Nwnm. I shall happily continue cooperating with other SWPers on matters of common interest from time to time. But not with Nwnm I regret to say and that is purely personal as I have considerable respect for the activists of that group in general. Hell even now I have some fondness for Nwnm but most of all I do pity him.
neprimerimye
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Having posted the above I noticed that nwnm exposed himself as a liar in his post. he claims to have me on ignore but managed despite that to begin his post with a quote from me which he could not otherwise have known of.
neprimerimye
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ResistanceMP3 said:Mike, please point to anyone who is bent over further backwards than myself to try and have the kind of bebate you've outlined. maybe not now, but two years ago when I first came on here. and even the where you do get decent discussion, the Poland thread hasn't been too bad, it does seem all rather pointless. As I told you in the other thread, I actually got on the phone to a member of workers Power. We had an excellently fraternal discussion on the issue. And where did he get us? We had to agree to disagree.
"And yes some people are as sectarian and abusive towards the SWP. " Oh come on Mike if you are going to be honest. "trotbots". "fascist". "State run".a lot of the stuff that passes off as debate on this forum should be in the conspiracy theories Forum.
at the end of the day the people who are important are the people who are not in the revolutionary left. When they were asked in our poll on this forum whether they thought this place was a good or a bad advert for the left, out of those who wished to respond to those two questions, the majority answered "a bad advert".
Fraternal greetings. ResistanceMP3
PS. Sorry it has took me so long to respond.
PPS. The poll was in actual fact censored to add a third option which had nothing to do with the topic I raised, imo.
Sorry about the stuff above I regret it had to be posted. And yes i agree with a lot of what you say. And yes I know you are not one of those who resorts to abusive posting. But unlike some of those who do you actually have a set of politics which you are able to defend.
These boards and the various lists are a bad advert for the far left. Sadly that is because the far left, pretty much all of it, is not terribly healthy right now. I'll come back on the Poland thread another time maybe.
