Safari browser for Windows!

[jæd]

But hang on a minute - Apple has managed to produce the most ugly fucking browser I've ever seen! What's that all about? The kind of people who will try this out will have already tried Firefox, Opera and IE7 - this comes way way down the list.

...

Come back with better, Jobs, this is a SERIOUS embarrasment.

Its not a replacement for Firefox, IE, etc, its a quick and easy way to make sure Web Developers develop for Safari. I'm guessing this is the 3.0 codebase.

 

[Crispy]

It's also useful for developers making iPhone apps - this is the same browser as the iphone has, and all 3rd party apps use the browser for their interface.

 

[jæd]

It's also useful for developers making iPhone apps - this is the same browser as the iphone has, and all 3rd party apps use the browser for their interface.

Yes... I just realised that.

Kind find watching all the Engadget geeks completely missing the word "Beta" in the download link. "OMG This sucks -- its not 100% perfect". Yep, that would be definition of the word "Beta"...

Cool + handy developer tool, though. Beats having to guestimate from Konquerer...

 

[editor]

What's rather odd is that some pages are much quicker with Safari, while on some sites, Firefox whips its ass. I found a huge difference between download times for the Guardian website, for example (Firefox was much faster).

It's still too ugly for me to want to replace Firefox.

 

[Crispy]

Fingers crossed the brush metal will dissapear by the time the final version comes out. Apple are ditching thet style in Leopard.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

It's not brushed metal on Windows, it's... whatever that crap grey style is called.

I _like_ brushed metal.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

I really can't stand the way it looks or the way it handles text, so I'm giving up on it for now, but I'll check out any updates because the speed is pretty good.

Me too. I'll be back when the beta stamp is gone...

 

[newbie]

The text on apples own pages looks slightly better in Safari than in Firefox\0

full screen Safari doesn't allow the autohidden taskbar to reappear, which is a bit of a pain.

 

[Fez909]

How similar is Safari to Konquerer?

 

[skunkboy69]

I tried it! I HATED IT.I'll stick with firefox n opera thankies

 

[jæd]

How similar is Safari to Konquerer?

Its similar but not exact. Apple took the Konquerer rendering engine (Gecko) and made some tweaks to it. It gave back the tweaks, but obviously the two browser won't be 100% in sync with each other.

 

[jæd]

I tried it! I HATED IT.I'll stick with firefox n opera thankies

Another one for the "What don't you understand about Betas" pile...

 

[mwgdrwg]

Mine crashes whenever I enter my username/password for the work proxy server

 

[Lazy Llama]

Apple took the Konquerer rendering engine (Gecko) and made some tweaks to it.

[Pedant mode]Gecko is the Mozilla rendering engine, KHTML is the Konqueror one that Apple used. (But you knew that)
[/Pedant mode]
Apple call the framework WebKit and quite a few other Mac apps use it for doing HTML (e.g. Vienna, the RSS reader)

 

[mtbskalover]

this thread wasnt here a few minutes ago, dam

silly me
sorry

 

[cybertect]

Apple call the framework WebKit and quite a few other Mac apps use it for doing HTML (e.g. Vienna, the RSS reader)

As does the Nokia Web Browser used on their S60 phones.

 

[dogmatique]

Another one for the "What don't you understand about Betas" pile...

Oh rubbish. A large public beta like this should be pretty much complete, and is for final bug testing. Of course people are going to make opinions. Any changes between now and final release will be minor, and will largely not effect the GUI, which is what people are moaning about.

 

[tarannau]

Is the GUI really that bad though? I haven't bothered to download Safari for windows yet, but Safari's a consistent, fairly spartan looking browser on the mac. You minimise the bells and whistles and it simply frames the webpage. Remove the bottom status bar and it virtually appears as only a little grey control strip above the page. I don't see that much to object to with that - controls are clear, it's intuitive, it works. What's it missing?


I'm a bit indifferent to Safari if I'm honest - it's a fast program in the main, a huge improvement over the primitive version of IE they weren't updating on the mac, but it doesn't rock my world. Firefox is fuller featured, but the dated, fussy basic appearance fucks me off, albeit I haven't tried the new more mac-like skin. Opera's got potential, but I just use Safari on habit really.

I don't understand all this 'fuzzy text' stuff either. Text looks similar on both examples on this thread, although it's fair to say that I'm looking at them on Safari, which may well e the reason.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

There's a few silly little UI bugs, like pixels not lining up. And I can't _believe_ they don't have the .Mac bookmarks popup window working, god damn.



The text on Windows was quite jarring to start with because, well, Cleartype doesn't look anything like that - compared to the anti-aliasing on OS X it's almost like not having any at all. I started off thinking I needed new glasses. However, by the end of the day I was perfectly comfortable with it.

 

[jæd]

[Pedant mode]Gecko is the Mozilla rendering engine, KHTML is the Konqueror one that Apple used. (But you knew that)
[/Pedant mode]
Apple call the framework WebKit and quite a few other Mac apps use it for doing HTML (e.g. Vienna, the RSS reader)

Oops... Wrong one...

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Pointless trivia, but I only found out recently that the engine that IE uses is called Trident.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trident_(layout_engine)

(I actually found this out through the April Fools post on the Safari dev blog....)

 

[jæd]

Oh rubbish. A large public beta like this should be pretty much complete, and is for final bug testing. Of course people are going to make opinions. Any changes between now and final release will be minor, and will largely not effect the GUI, which is what people are moaning about.

Well... Wouldn't it be a better idea of waiting until the finished version to make an opinion...? I'm guessing they rushed out what they had available so they could announce it at the WWDC..

 

[skunkboy69]

Another one for the "What don't you understand about Betas" pile...

LOL no.I use loads of betas and understand how they work.It just felt "nasty".It was only faster than my firefox on a couple of websites too.I will give it a go farther down the line tho.

 

[editor]

Well... Wouldn't it be a better idea of waiting until the finished version to make an opinion...? I'm guessing they rushed out what they had available so they could announce it at the WWDC..

Surely the whole point of releasing betas is to elicit opinions from the great unwashed?

 

[newbie]

full screen Safari doesn't allow the autohidden taskbar to reappear, which is a bit of a pain.

is this just me?

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Opera would have to gain the web developer additions and all the mega useful plug-ins that come with firefox to be that. They are great.

erm they've got em ...

http://my.opera.com/community/customize/panel/?id=307

custom panels

opera widgets

http://widgets.opera.com/

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

also i want to know what will happen to webkit now that this is out as technically safari is webkit rejigged...

http://webkit.org/

the doze verison seems to have been dropped it was called swift....

 

[cybertect]

Onward and upward, it seems

http://webkit.org/blog/

What does this mean for WebKit? Well, it means that we’re making the leap in a big way to another platform, and we’d like all you Windows developers out there to join us!

The Windows WebKit port will be landing later today. We’ll also be landing all of the same scripts that are available to Mac contributors for easy checkout, building and running on Windows. We’ll provide information on the Debug menu (yes, it’s there!), nightly builds (so that you can follow the progress of the project), and some other exciting improvements that will be coming for *both* Mac and Windows!

If you’re a Windows developer and want to get involved with the open source project, come find us later today on #webkit (FreeNode) where we will have engineers ready to assist you with checking out and building the code.

 

[jæd]

Surely the whole point of releasing betas is to elicit opinions from the great unwashed?

Yep, but a lot of peoples reactions are "This sux, this is soooo unfinished, this is crap".

"Beta version software is likely to be useful for internal demonstrations and previews to select customers, but unstable and not yet ready for release."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_cycle#Beta

Its a good thing they never saw the pre-1.0 versions of Mozilla...

 

[editor]

"Beta version software is likely to be useful for internal demonstrations and previews to select customers, but unstable and not yet ready for release."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_cycle#Beta

Hmm...

The definition of beta has changed considerably in recent times, and most is very stable and released to everyone - just look at Google who release some apps that are about 99% complete.

I don't believe that the definition applies to Safari either, as Jobs would know that a seriously unfinished and bug ridden Windows browser would truly damage his company's stated prospects of becoming big playaz in the browser market.