Saddam

[Streathamite]

I seem to remember the majorty of the US supporting it. As well as the two main UK partys.

on top of fruitloops excellent rejoinder, it is worth notng that the party in power was railroaded into it against furious objections by its' leader, leading to a s;ew of ministerial resignations, and the other party hisrtorically rattles a sabre at the slightest indication and didn't want to be seen as not supporting Our Boys.
do try again

 

[thefishdead]

err, wrong! saddam put massive amounts into education, healthcare and other public services, meaning that by the time of GW1 Iraq had one of the most educated populations in the arab world, and a fast-rising civilian life expectancy. and no, this does not mean that I support him - it's simply the facts.
it is also 100% in keeping with ba'ath ideology as first outline dby Aflaq and bitar, when they founded the ba'ath.
as you'd know if you weren't such an ignorant fool.
why are rightwingers so thick?

O, rigthwing now thats rich. Have you not been reading the Thread. It would be easy for me to default to a rigth wing position and accuse you of being a buddy of Saddam but I havent done that. What I have said is that Saddam was a cunt who deserved to be ousted. That America went about it the wrong way but their motives were correct. That Bush and Saddam are not equal strains of evil. And that Im sick of people saying they are anti war when they mean anti bush. The UN danced around Saddam for a decade. The US acted and fucked it up but this does not put them on a level with Saddam.
Now is it possiable for you to hold two ideas in your head at once or is insulting me just easier for you.

 

[poster342002]

saddam put massive amounts into education

Indeed. I think Iraq may have had something close to a 100% literacy rate. Not bad at all for a 3rd world nation.

 

[camouflage]

O, rigthwing now thats rich. Have you not been reading the Thread. It would be easy for me to default to a rigth wing position and accuse you of being a buddy of Saddam but I havent done that. What I have said is that Saddam was a cunt who deserved to be ousted. That America went about it the wrong way but their motives were correct. That Bush and Saddam are not equal strains of evil. And that Im sick of people saying they are anti war when they mean anti bush. The UN danced around Saddam for a decade. The US acted and fucked it up but this does not put them on a level with Saddam.
Now is it possiable for you to hold two ideas in your head at once or is insulting me just easier for you.

I find your easy assumption of Americas noble intentions abit sweet, but quite disturbing.

I contend that Saddams intentions were probably 'nobler' (the advancement of his nations power, average living-standards and influence) I doubt slash-taxes-4-the-rich George W has even the slightest interest in the welfare advancement or general living-standards of the USA.

And if you think it's okay to launch massively expensive billions-dollar wars against a far away nation when vast swarthes of the US population still wallows in poverty, ignorance, health-uncare and malnuorishment, then you are as much a cunt as Bush and his chums.

 

[thefishdead]

I find your easy assumption of Americas noble intentions abit sweet, but quite disturbing.

I contend that Saddams intentions were probably 'nobler' (the advancement of his nations power, average living-standards and influence) I doubt slash-taxes-4-the-rich George W has even the slightest interest in the welfare advancement or general living-standards of the USA.

And if you think it's okay to launch massively expensive billions-dollar wars against a far away nation when vast swarthes of the US population still wallows in poverty, ignorance, health-uncare and malnuorishment, then you are as much a cunt as Bush and his chums.

You realy do have your head up your arse dont you. 'Saddams intentions were nobler'. This complete lack of perspective is why I took a more right wing stance on this thread that normaly suits me.
So lets have a look at his noble intentions shall we and if you realy believe you would prefere to live under Saddam and his noble intention than Bush and his flaw democracy you migth as well keep your head up there.

Destroys attemps at unity with syria and forces al-Bakr to to allow himself to become leader of Iraq.
Has 66 members of his party arrested, 22 executed.
His government relies on the support of 20percent of the population.
Sets up the peoples army to round up torture and kill his opponts.
Places thousands of posters, murals and statues of himself through out the country setting up a personality cult.
Builds nuclear reator with the aide of the french. Destroyed by Isrealys when saddam is suspected of makeing a nuclear weapon.
Saddam bombs kurds in Iran and deports 200,000.
After the revolution in Iran hostlity between Khomeini and saddam eventually leads to war. Khomeini had been expeled from Iraq and saddam who feared he was fostering shite power.
After Iraq begins to lose ground saddam asks his ministers for advice. One tells him to temporarily step down. His body is chopped up and delivered to his wife.
Saddam uses chemical weapons supplied by the west germans.
Kills 5000 civilians with mustard gas.
Ends war with one million dead and 75million in debt.
Invades kuwait.
Saddams sons run torture in Iraq. They murder 2 of saddams son in laws who have defected.
Executes his childhood friend due to his popularity.
Woman accused of being prostitues are behead, heads are desplayed on the street with signs reading for the honour of Iraq.
Children are reqruited into saddams cubs. If they refuse they are executed.they are encoraged to grass on their familys and are given military training.
Politics restricted to party members.
Iraqy woman unable to travel abroad without male relative.
Saddam extermanates between 100,000 kurds 130.000 shites.
Death penelty for theft.
Torture centres throughout Iraq.

O yeah, he also allowed Iraqys to learn how to read.

 

[camouflage]

You realy do have your head up your arse dont you. 'Saddams intentions were nobler'. This complete lack of perspective is why I took a more right wing stance on this thread that normaly suits me.
So lets have a look at his noble intentions shall we and if you realy believe you would prefere to live under Saddam and his noble intention than Bush and his flaw democracy you migth as well keep your head up there.

Destroys attemps at unity with syria and forces al-Bakr to to allow himself to become leader of Iraq.
Has 66 members of his party arrested, 22 executed.
His government relies on the support of 20percent of the population.
Sets up the peoples army to round up torture and kill his opponts.
Places thousands of posters, murals and statues of himself through out the country setting up a personality cult.
Builds nuclear reator with the aide of the french. Destroyed by Isrealys when saddam is suspected of makeing a nuclear weapon.
Saddam bombs kurds in Iran and deports 200,000.
After the revolution in Iran hostlity between Khomeini and saddam eventually leads to war. Khomeini had been expeled from Iraq and saddam who feared he was fostering shite power.
After Iraq begins to lose ground saddam asks his ministers for advice. One tells him to temporarily step down. His body is chopped up and delivered to his wife.
Saddam uses chemical weapons supplied by the west germans.
Kills 5000 civilians with mustard gas.
Ends war with one million dead and 75million in debt.
Invades kuwait.
Saddams sons run torture in Iraq. They murder 2 of saddams son in laws who have defected.
Executes his childhood friend due to his popularity.
Woman accused of being prostitues are behead, heads are desplayed on the street with signs reading for the honour of Iraq.
Children are reqruited into saddams cubs. If they refuse they are executed.they are encoraged to grass on their familys and are given military training.
Politics restricted to party members.
Iraqy woman unable to travel abroad without male relative.
Saddam extermanates between 100,000 kurds 130.000 shites.
Death penelty for theft.
Torture centres throughout Iraq.

O yeah, he also allowed Iraqys to learn how to read.

I stand by my point, maybe I won';t use the word "nobler" even in quotation marks, but George W and his friends and his little dimented poodle I find so untrustworthy, mendacious, double-thinking and disgusting in how easily they've lied and scammed and twisted things so as to cause the death of hundreds of thousands of people, and then smirk and spout slogans whenever people try to hold the for account for it, that yes, I consider Saddam Hussein much more worthy of... let's call it 'respect', whack quotation marks around it just to tread carefully. He even stepped up to his death, hurled insults back on his feet, I'd like to see if Tony or George stand up before their sentence like that.

A scorpion being a scorpion is better then a wolf in sheeps clothing especially if the scorpions trying to look after it's babies, some of which it eats for protein. or something.

I don't want to end up defending Saddam Hussein and saying he was well-meaning or a good-egg, but I stand by my point and this is as vigorously as I'll make it. If I was Iraqi, my home in Iraq, then I'd rather have lived in Iraq when Saddam ran things then now, yes, definately.

 

[nino_savatte]

At least that Hitler bloke made the trains run on time.

Here we go again, another comparison of Saddam to Hitler; this is what got us into trouble in the first place.

Just to repeat: Saddam Hussein was not another Hitler nor was he anything like Hitler. If you think he was "like Hitler", you are little better than Bush, Bliar or any of the other warmongers.

 

[nino_savatte]

You realy do have your head up your arse dont you. 'Saddams intentions were nobler'. This complete lack of perspective is why I took a more right wing stance on this thread that normaly suits me.
So lets have a look at his noble intentions shall we and if you realy believe you would prefere to live under Saddam and his noble intention than Bush and his flaw democracy you migth as well keep your head up there.

Destroys attemps at unity with syria and forces al-Bakr to to allow himself to become leader of Iraq.
Has 66 members of his party arrested, 22 executed.
His government relies on the support of 20percent of the population.
Sets up the peoples army to round up torture and kill his opponts.
Places thousands of posters, murals and statues of himself through out the country setting up a personality cult.
Builds nuclear reator with the aide of the french. Destroyed by Isrealys when saddam is suspected of makeing a nuclear weapon.
Saddam bombs kurds in Iran and deports 200,000.
After the revolution in Iran hostlity between Khomeini and saddam eventually leads to war. Khomeini had been expeled from Iraq and saddam who feared he was fostering shite power.
After Iraq begins to lose ground saddam asks his ministers for advice. One tells him to temporarily step down. His body is chopped up and delivered to his wife.
Saddam uses chemical weapons supplied by the west germans.
Kills 5000 civilians with mustard gas.
Ends war with one million dead and 75million in debt.
Invades kuwait.
Saddams sons run torture in Iraq. They murder 2 of saddams son in laws who have defected.
Executes his childhood friend due to his popularity.
Woman accused of being prostitues are behead, heads are desplayed on the street with signs reading for the honour of Iraq.
Children are reqruited into saddams cubs. If they refuse they are executed.they are encoraged to grass on their familys and are given military training.
Politics restricted to party members.
Iraqy woman unable to travel abroad without male relative.
Saddam extermanates between 100,000 kurds 130.000 shites.
Death penelty for theft.
Torture centres throughout Iraq.

O yeah, he also allowed Iraqys to learn how to read.

Bakr Sidqi, a Kurd, was reponsible for the massacre of 6,000 Assyrian men, women and children in 1933 (he also orchestrated the first military coup in Arab history). Of course, you appear to overlook the crimes of his other predecessors like Salem Aref (ordered the deaths of around 100,000 suspected communists) and Nuri es Said (only stitched up Jews on trumped up chrages and had them hanged). I guess it's too inconvenient; much rather have Saddam as "another Hitler" than to ever countenance the real truth - eh?

 

[nino_savatte]

Iragi oil is not that important.

How so? If Iraqi oil is not that important, why were most of the combat boots on the ground in the opening days of invasion, those of Halliburton? What was the hurry to go to war with Iraq, a fifth rate military power by anyone's estimate?

Why was the Iraq Study Group headed by James Baker, the chief counsel for Halliburton? Why did Bremer insist that the oil be privatised?

Saudiamco has enough oil to keep us at current levels for 80 years. And if it was about oil it would have been easier to get it through Saddam, than stir up a shit storm. The invasion was about a misguided notion that Iraq was a threat.
Try to differentiate between fact and left wind exaduration.

Iraq's oil industry was nationalised by Saddam's predecessor, Hassan al-Bakr. The US had been trying to find ways of getting its hands on the oil since 1969. You also repeat yourself here by saying the war wasn't "about oil". It wasn't about WMD or human rights either.

What is "left wind exaduration"?