Saddam Hussein executed

[Fez909]

Mission Accomplished!

At last the war is now over, Saddam is Dead!

If your Commander-in-Chief can get it so spectacularly wrong, please excuse me if I don't quite believe you.

 

[Rentonite]

Ow yous Guyyyss

ok
Saddam is dead and He aint comeing Back.
That is a Victory
Iraq is just a battle in the war on Terror, it is not the whole thing.
I know that so many will not accept a Allied Victory in the gulf no matter what and this attitude is what has spurred on the insurgents.

They will continue untill we leave and after that the bullys in Iraq will go on bullying (and murdering)
and the regular people will continue to accept it.
A truly free iraq as we would like it to be will never happen in real life.
The only true solution would be to clense the middle east of all of "those" people.
That may end up happening.
there may not be any choice
They absoultly will not stop.
so here we are again.
The christians verses the muslims
Or actually What would be more correct
The Muslims verses everyone that is not muslim.

I know I know, not all muslims are involved.
but neither is everyone that is not muslim.
and I know how abborrent a Nuclear "final solution" to the muslim problem is.
Yet, How do you see this ending?
do you think they will just Quit?
We leave, and they quit?
Nope.. they will come back here again.
and kill our people, again.
that is what is so different from vietnam.

but hey,
Ding Dong Saddam is dead, Saddam is dead Saddam is dead
(sung to the tune from the wizard of oz)

 

[DarthSydodyas]

oil.

 

[Fruitloop]

(sung to the tune from the wizard of oz)

What, the whole thing?

 

[Yossarian]

The only true solution would be to clense the middle east of all of "those" people.
That may end up happening.
there may not be any choice
They absoultly will not stop.
so here we are again.
The christians verses the muslims
Or actually What would be more correct
The Muslims verses everyone that is not muslim.

How come vimto got banned but this Rentonite cocksucker's allowed to come back here time and time again and freely advocate genocide?

 

[Aldebaran]

ok
Saddam is dead and He aint comeing Back.
That is a Victory
Iraq is just a battle in the war on Terror, it is not the whole thing.
I know that so many will not accept a Allied Victory in the gulf no matter what and this attitude is what has spurred on the insurgents.

ok
Saddam is dead and he is back as a martyr
That is a Victory
Iraq is just one US battle in their war for global dominance and rush to satisfy greed, it is not the whole thing.
I know that so many will not accept a Allied Murderers Victory in the gulf no matter what and this attitude is what provokes legitimate resistance and outrage.

They will continue untill we leave and after that the bullys in Iraq will go on bullying (and murdering)
and the regular people will continue to accept it.
A truly free iraq as we would like it to be will never happen in real life.

That shall continue untill the reason for our resistance and outrage is gone and if that doesn't happen the US puppets installed in Iraq shall go on bullying( and lynching and murdering) and the regular people shall be forced at gunpoint to accept it.
A truly free Iraq as we would like it to be shall never happen in real life for as long as the USA can exist without the rest of the world reacting to its outrageous murderous war mongering greedy arrogance.

The only true solution would be to clense the middle east of all of "those" people.
That may end up happening.
there may not be any choice
They absoultly will not stop.
so here we are again.
The christians verses the muslims
Or actually What would be more correct
The Muslims verses everyone that is not muslim.

The only true solution would be to clense the Middle East from all of "those" people.
That shall not happen for as long as the USA is allowed to exist.
There may not be any choice
They absolutely will not stop
so here we are again
Muslims villified and murdered by the West
or actually what would be more correct
Corporate USA against all the USA doesn't like and the rest of the world keeping silence out of self-absorbed greed.

I know I know, not all muslims are involved.
but neither is everyone that is not muslim.
and I know how abborrent a Nuclear "final solution" to the muslim problem is.
Yet, How do you see this ending?
do you think they will just Quit?
We leave, and they quit?
Nope.. they will come back here again.
and kill our people, again.
that is what is so different from vietnam.

I know I know, not all US'ers or Westerners are involved
but more then enough to have murdered hundreds of thousands of innocents and counting
and I know how inhumane a nuclear "final solution" to the US problem is
Yet, how do you see this ending?
do you think they will just quite?
We ask and they quit?
Nope... they will come back here again, and in fact they planneed all along to come and be here to stay
that is what is different from Vietnam.

but hey,
Ding Dong Saddam is dead, Saddam is dead Saddam is dead
(sung to the tune from the wizard of oz)

but hey
Ding dong ding dong ....
Saddam is dead,
Saddam is not dead Saddam is alive.
As a Martyr.
His former friends. In the US. Are still alive. Propping up his successor.
(sung to the tune of Beethoven's fifth)

But I know of an other Beethoven symphony, with a text unfamiliar to far too many people in the world but maybe they can eventually learn it.

O Freunde, nicht diese Töne! Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen und freudenvollere!

Freude, schöner Götterfunken.Tochter aus Elysium. Wir betreten feuertrunken Himmlische, dein Heiligtum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder was die Mode streng geteilt.
Alle Menschen werden Brüder wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.
Wem der große Wurf gelungen eines Freundes Freund zu sein. Wer ein holdes Weib errungen, mische seinen Jubel ein!
Ja, wer auch nur eine Seele. Sein nennt auf dem Erdenrund!
Und wer's nie gekonnt, der stehle weinend sich aus diesem Bund.
Freude trinken alle Wesen an den Brüsten der Natur:
Alle Guten, alle Bösen folgen ihrer Rosenspur. Küsse gab sie uns, und Reben, einen Freund, geprüft im Tod;
Wollust ward dem Wurm gegeben, und der Cherub steht vor Gott!
Froh, wie seine Sonnen fliegen durch des Himmels prächt'gen Plan. Laufet, Brüder, eure Bahn. Freudig, wie ein Held zum Siegen. Seid umschlungen. Millionen. Diesen Kuß der ganzen Welt! Brüder! Über'm Sternenzelt muß ein lieber Vater wohnen. Ihr stürzt nieder, Millionen? Ahnest du den Schöpfer, Welt?
Such' ihn über'm Sternenzelt! Über Sternen muß er wohnen.

sung on the tone of Beethoven's 9the.

salaam.

 

[Streathamite]

aldebaran mate - what is a bright bloke like you even doing responding to that clueless racist halfwit?

 

[Aldebaran]

aldebaran mate - what is a bright bloke like you even doing responding to that clueless racist halfwit?

I think that leaving doors open for dialogue is more productive then closing them in silence.

salaam.

 

[danny la rouge]

Is he still dead then?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

ok
Saddam is dead and he is back as a martyr
That is a Victory.

While he was alive, he was a sunni known for persecuting shiites and kurds. He started a war with Iran that killed hundreds of thousands. He renounced islamic ways and promoted a secular state. He was widely believed to have been put in power by the West, and was at least for a time, their tool.

Now, he gets executed, and he suddenly becomes a martyr?

Don't you have to wonder a little about the intelligence of anyone who'd elevate a man with his history, to martyrdom?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

That shall continue untill the reason for our resistance and outrage is gone and if that doesn't happen the US puppets installed in Iraq shall go on bullying( and lynching and murdering) and the regular people shall be forced at gunpoint to accept it. .

Who are the US puppets: the original sunni govt., or the new, majority backed shiite govt?

 

[Aldebaran]

While he was alive, he was a sunni known for persecuting shiites and kurds.

1. He was never religious.
2. Like any dictator he got after *everyone* who opposed him or even spoke against him. That did not include teh question: "are you shia or sunni or a kurd or any other religion or ethnicy"?
3. There was no religious or ethnical division in Iraq's society.
4. The myth of "shia majority" as if it is something like 90 to 10% is one of the many ridiculous Western inventions.
5. People never asked "are you shia or sunni" and lived in the same streets, the same houses and mixed marriages although not the rule, are still not all *that* uncommon either. (The woman who raised me since birth and who was like a mother to me after my mother died had a Shia background. Bush killed her and a child of her family. Not Saddam.)
6. The Kurds are persecuted and oppressed in all four nations who got a piece of Kurdistan and they were and are lied to, abandoned and betrayed time and time again by the West at that.

He started a war with Iran that killed hundreds of thousands.

He could not have done it without US and other Western backing. I think you are old and wise enough to figure out their reasons for this all by yourself?

Now, he gets executed, and he suddenly becomes a martyr?
Don't you have to wonder a little about the intelligence of anyone who'd elevate a man with his history, to martyrdom?

No, because I am an Arab and hence all too familiar with the Arab (and by extension also the Muslim) psyche.

salaam.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

3. There was no religious or ethnical division in Iraq's society. .

Then why were most of the ruling elite, sunnis from Tikrit?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

4. The myth of "shia majority" as if it is something like 90 to 10% is one of the many ridiculous Western inventions..

So, you deny that the majority of iraqis are shiite?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

He could not have done it without US and other Western backing. I think you are old and wise enough to figure out their reasons for this all by yourself?.

I recall a comment by a US State Department official at the time. They saw the Iran Iraq war as a win-win situation. No matter who lost, it was all good.

Iraq had the money, resources etc to go to war with Iran. I'll agree that they couldn't have done it if the west actively opposed it, like they did with Kuwait, but there is another option: that the west simply ignored it, and let events take their course.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

No, because I am an Arab and hence all too familiar with the Arab (and by extension also the Muslim) psyche.

.

A very illuminating comment.

 

[nino_savatte]

1. He was never religious.
2. Like any dictator he got after *everyone* who opposed him or even spoke against him. That did not include teh question: "are you shia or sunni or a kurd or any other religion or ethnicy"?
3. There was no religious or ethnical division in Iraq's society.
4. The myth of "shia majority" as if it is something like 90 to 10% is one of the many ridiculous Western inventions.
5. People never asked "are you shia or sunni" and lived in the same streets, the same houses and mixed marriages although not the rule, are still not all *that* uncommon either. (The woman who raised me since birth and who was like a mother to me after my mother died had a Shia background. Bush killed her and a child of her family. Not Saddam.)
6. The Kurds are persecuted and oppressed in all four nations who got a piece of Kurdistan and they were and are lied to, abandoned and betrayed time and time again by the West at that.



He could not have done it without US and other Western backing. I think you are old and wise enough to figure out their reasons for this all by yourself?



No, because I am an Arab and hence all too familiar with the Arab (and by extension also the Muslim) psyche.

salaam.

You have to forgive Johnny; he doesn't understand the history of Iraq and he only sees things in black and white. He doesn't like the truth much either. He also likes to twist your words around when he can't formulate a reasonable response.

To him, Saddam Hussenin was a Sunni first, forget his Ba'athism, forget the fact that Shi'a Muslims were also members of the Ba'ath party and that the Kurds were the sworn enemies of the Assyrians and that they participated in a massacre of men, women and children. If you told him any of this, his reply is likely to be "so you think Saddam Hussein is a hero"?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

You have to forgive Johnny; he doesn't understand the history of Iraq and he only sees things in black and white. He doesn't like the truth much either. He also likes to twist your words around when he can't formulate a reasonable response.

To him, Saddam Hussenin was a Sunni first, forget his Ba'athism, forget the fact that Shi'a Muslims were also members of the Ba'ath party and that the Kurds were the sworn enemies of the Assyrians and that they participated in a massacre of men, women and children. If you told him any of this, his reply is likely to be "so you think Saddam Hussein is a hero"?

Why not keep your nose out of discussions that don't concern you, there's a good boy.

 

[nino_savatte]

Why not keep your nose out of discussions that don't concern you, there's a good boy.

Actually, this does concern me and as this post proves, you have nothing to offer but narratives and snide comments. You understand nothing of Iraq's history and seem content to wallow in your wilful ignorance as this comment proves.

Then why were most of the ruling elite, sunnis from Tikrit?

Do you understand the origins of Sunni dominance, furthermore you do realise that Tariq Aziz was an Assyrian (rather unusually) and not a Sunni Arab? No, I suppose that sort of slipped your mind. The former pm, Iyad Allawi is a Shi'a and a former member of the Ba'ath Party. Now how about doing some reading for a change instead of relying on the narrow bigoted views of your leaders and their information machinery for guidance? Oh, I forget, you're one of those narrow-minded, bigoted types who only sees things in black and white. History only matters when it has been narrativised to suit your 'argument'.

How the hell anyone could think that they can get a decent discussion out of you is anyone's guess.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Tariq Aziz was also a Christian.

 

[nino_savatte]

Tariq Aziz was also a Christian.

Which rather proves that Iraq is more than just a country divided between different Islamic factions (as the media would have us believe).

 

[Streathamite]

Then why were most of the ruling elite, sunnis from Tikrit?

ermm...nepotism, mayhap?

 

[Streathamite]

Don't you have to wonder a little about the intelligence of anyone who'd elevate a man with his history, to martyrdom?

so what precisely are you saying about the Iraqi people?

 

[iROBOT]

On the question of the "hanging". In my eyes there's something deeply unsettling about state sanctioned murder, and it was more a lynching then an execution anyway. This is why some yanks on here love it so much...it's called nostalgia.

 

[nino_savatte]

On the question of the "hanging". In my eyes there's something deeply unsettling about state sanctioned murder, and it was more a lynching then an execution anyway. This is why some yanks on here love it so much...it's called nostalgia.

Gil Scott-Heron has a line about nostalgia in his rap poem B-Movie.

The idea concerns the fact that this country wants nostalgia. They want to go back as far as they can – even if it's only as far as last week. Not to face now or tomorrow, but to face backwards.

But the past that they're interested in has little to do with history...and that's the thing about nostalgia: it's a rose-tinted view of the past.

 

[Lock&Light]

so what precisely are you saying about the Iraqi people?

Johnny was saying nothing about "the Iraqi people". He was talking about the people who could consider, despite his previous history, that Saddam was any sort of martyr.

 

[TAE]

Tariq Aziz was also a Christian.

I think Saddam chose Aziz because Aziz did not have a huge powerbase of his own.

 

[Barking_Mad]

I think Saddam chose Aziz because Aziz did not have a huge powerbase of his own.

Maybe so, but this still doesn't fit JC's profile of Saddam.

 

[nino_savatte]

Maybe so, but this still doesn't fit JC's profile of Saddam.

Quite and it seems that there remains a 'school of thought' that equates Saddam Hussein with Hitler in spite of the incontrovertible evidence against their viewpoint. Nasser was also portrayed as "another Hitler" and look what happened to the grand plan to retake the Suez Canal.

Anthony Eden will forever be saddled with Suez and Blair will forever be saddled with the mistake of invading Iraq for the sake of his vanity.

 

[Lock&Light]

Quite and it seems that there remains a 'school of thought' that equates Saddam Hussein with Hitler in spite of the incontrovertible evidence against their viewpoint. Nasser was also portrayed as "another Hitler" and look what happened to the grand plan to retake the Suez Canal.

Nasser was actually portrayed as "another Mussolini" by Eden.