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Ryanair reduce flights from Newquay to one a day

madzone said:
A) I never said my anti-outsiders stuff was reasonable.

B) Tourism is changing the face of Cornwall to the extent that people won't want to visit the area anyway.


To play your game:

a) I'd say that you're deliberately being unreasonable to provoke a reaction on this thread.
b) Can't you say the same of many other areas - substitute any number of place names for Cornwall or even 'gentrification' for 'tourism' and you can carry on endlessly. Besides, doesn't this bode well for the future as far as you're concerned - a balance will be struck eventually.

I can understand your frustration at losing a convenient service. But you surely must understand why some folks are taking some offence when you're arguing from what's essentially an unreasonable, self-interested and hypocritical position.
 
tarannau said:
To play your game:

a) I'd say that you're deliberately being unreasonable to provoke a reaction on this thread.

That's pushing it a bit but I have been over egging it. I don't really go into town to watch Northerners be attacked by seagulls

tarranau said:
b) Can't you say the same of many other areas - substitute any number of place names for Cornwall or even 'gentrification' for 'tourism' and you can carry on endlessly. Besides, doesn't this bode well for the future as far as you're concerned - a balance will be struck eventually.

Yes of course you can name other ares it's happening to but not neccessarily on the scale it's happening to Cornwall. And by the time a balance is struck (if ever) it may be to late and the Cornwalls uniquenes may be lost.

tarranau said:
I can understand your frustration at losing a convenient service. But you surely must understand why some folks are taking some offence when you're arguing from what's essentially an unreasonable, self-interested and hypocritical position.

Of course I can but it was Urbans po faced, moralists at their best. It's difficult not to bite.
 
madzone said:
Yes of course you can name other ares it's happening to but not neccessarily on the scale it's happening to Cornwall. And by the time a balance is struck (if ever) it may be to late and the Cornwalls uniquenes may be lost.
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From Brixton through to the Welsh valleys, I suspect that people will disagree with you. Many people feel just as strongly about their own unique backyard.

Pogofish - I take on board what you're saying - tourism and the associated hopitality industries tend not to be the most equitable of emplyers. However, I don't believe the local crafts based industries that Madzone seems to be suggesting in their place are a viable alternative either. Too often they end up as boutique goods, sold to an urban clientele (mark ups mainly to existing poncey shops) and further reinforcing tourist views of 'quaint' or 'traditional' Cornwall, exacerbating the problem. It's hardly a Silicon Glen style solution bringing employment and long term growth prospects to the area.
 
kea said:
but you have passenger flights. and the mod are leaving in 2007 so then it will be fully passenger no?

From what I can gather, when the MOD leave in 2007 the commercial airport will then have to pay for the services such as fire cover etc that the MOD currently provide.

As it stands at the moment, the money generated by commercial flights isn't enough to pay for the running of the airport once the MOD go, so the Council need to charge a £5 tax on people using the airport to help keep the airport open.

Ryanair have refused to charge their customers the £5 and have reduced the number of flights out of spite. Presumably Ryanair think the Cornish ratepayers should pay for the airport instead of the aiport users.

I don't use planes because of teh environmental issues, and I'm not happy at having to pay subsidies for any airport. And I see no reason why the passengers shouldn't pay the extra £5 themselves.
 
madzone said:
On the surface tourism looks like it keeps cornwall afloat but there are loads of hidden costs to locals. ....... Our water rates are among the highest in the Country

For example, I pay far higher water rates now in my 1-bedroom mobile home than I did when living in a large 3-bed semi in Kent.

It's so high because we have to pay to keep the beaches clean for the benefit of tourists who have to pay nothing towards them. From memory, the statistics are that we have 30% of the UK bathing beaches, paid for by just 3% of the UK population (who are most probably on a much lower than average wage anyway).

AND I can't even use most of the beaches for half the year because they don't allow dogs during the holiday season! :mad:
 
tarannau said:
What industries are going to replace tourism btw? Cornwall ain't ever going to be a self sufficient rural, fishing and mining idyll again. Small cottage industries selling stuff out of the region is never going to generate anywhere near the level or income - besides selling Cornish 'crafts' elswhere is only likely to increase the tourist appeal.


Cornwall isn't just a quaint holiday/fishing/craft area, people LIVE here as well. We have industrial areas, business parks, technology parks, as well as all the usual support services every other area of the UK has to support it's local population. :p

Ok (I could be wrong here, I don't know all of Cornwall well yet), but I don't know of many major companies here - but that's probably because of the poor transport links. :rolleyes:
 
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