Structaural
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I suppose you can check in while still at home in your pyjamas.
Ryanair nonsense claims banned
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Donna Ferentes said:
You check yourself in on the website before the flight, then you print out your boarding pass and providing you only have hand luggage you go straight to the security checks when you arrive at the airport.
I did it the other week, its a real timesaver.
Donna Ferentes
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Oh I see. I was under the impression that checking-in meant (in part) actually confirming you were there!
Structaural
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Belushi said:
my printer is buggered I'd have to pay a couple of quid.
Belushi said:
No, that's OK.
But checking in online in the nude may get you barred from your flight, depending on your webcam settings, and your figure.
Seriously, Easyjet do online check-in and I used it one time I only had carry-on luggage, saves much queueing up at the airport.
Giles..
People seem to have demonstrated that Ryanair are shit compared with Eurostar in most ways: which begs the question, if we can all see this, surely most other people can, so surely Ryanair will not get many passengers for routes served by Eurostar trains?
It's not like Ryanair are the only airline flying to Paris either. If they carry on providing a crap service and fucking off their passengers, people will go elsewhere, won't they? Busy routes like London to Paris or London to Brussels are served by a variety of transport methods.
Giles..
It's not like Ryanair are the only airline flying to Paris either. If they carry on providing a crap service and fucking off their passengers, people will go elsewhere, won't they? Busy routes like London to Paris or London to Brussels are served by a variety of transport methods.
Giles..
T & P
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Then again many people don't think any further than the shiny low price blinking at them from the all singing-n-dancing Ryanair website. If they cared to consider luggage penalties, the new check-in penalties and greater cost of travel to and from the airport the low initial price becomes less attractive.
They're also temped by the flight time time of 1h by plane vs. 2h 40m by train but again fail to consider travel to and from the airport, check-in and passport control clearance and likehood of delays. Door to door, city centre to city centre the train will actually beat the plane in many if not most case studies.
They're also temped by the flight time time of 1h by plane vs. 2h 40m by train but again fail to consider travel to and from the airport, check-in and passport control clearance and likehood of delays. Door to door, city centre to city centre the train will actually beat the plane in many if not most case studies.
Donna Ferentes
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Routes like Zaragoza to London, however, are not, which means we have to stick it.Giles said:
Structaural
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Yeah my mate has to go to Lithuania almost monthly - Ryanair is the only cost effective way.
I notice a lot of these creeping charges lately - easyjet (an airline I use about 5 times a year to get back to the UK) have lots of little charges (like 10 euros for an infant - I'm sure they just added that).
I notice a lot of these creeping charges lately - easyjet (an airline I use about 5 times a year to get back to the UK) have lots of little charges (like 10 euros for an infant - I'm sure they just added that).
Yeah, they compete to offer the lowest "headline" price, and then have to try to make it back up to a price which makes sense by adding on loads of spurious extra charges.
Hopefully the trading standards are going to jump on all the cheapo airlines over this soon, there was something about it on the news in the last fortnight.
Problem is, if one of em does it, the others - who may be more honest - will lose market share if they DON'T do it, because some people don't look beyond the headline price.
Still, the bigger picture is that there are now more flights available than ever before, at cheaper prices than ever before, which is good news.
Except for the environment, but that's a whole other thread.
Giles..
Hopefully the trading standards are going to jump on all the cheapo airlines over this soon, there was something about it on the news in the last fortnight.
Problem is, if one of em does it, the others - who may be more honest - will lose market share if they DON'T do it, because some people don't look beyond the headline price.
Still, the bigger picture is that there are now more flights available than ever before, at cheaper prices than ever before, which is good news.
Except for the environment, but that's a whole other thread.
Giles..
I flew with Aer Lingus to Dublin last week and they were pulling classic Ryanair stunts, both on their web site and onboard.Giles said:
- Making it difficult not to book their insurance
- charging for hold luggage and musical instruments
- charging you for selecting a seat at time of booking
- not providing free water on board
TBH If I were one of his flight crew I'd be shitting it !! if O'Leary ever figures out a way to get the passengers to fly the plane for free he'll do it in a flash (He's got them doing practically everything else by this stage
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teuchter
je suis teuchter
Giles said:
It's a good question.
I think a lot of people just assume the plane will be cheaper. Partly because of Ryanair etc's tendency towards dodgy advertising claims which many fall for. And the psychological thing about not taking into account the cost/time involved in getting to/from airports when making the comparison.
But also the (mostly state-owned) railways have historically been pretty bad at publicising themselves and also using the kind of marketing and international co-operation that is commonplace for airlines. Eurostar is doing a fairly good job of competing on their routes.
I'm hoping that the opening-up to competition of European rail services might change this a bit so that the railways will get competitive on other international routes, by co-operating with each other and making booking a train ticket from say London to Madrid as easy as booking a plane ticket. Unfortunately it isn't at the moment.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Donna Ferentes said:
It is perfectly possible to get from London to Zaragoza by other means. It just might take a little longer.
It all comes down to how important the journey really is, which is all based on individuals' priorities - what they value more, the convenience to themselves or a recognition of the impact, environmental or otherwise, that their journey has on others.
Well Easyjet add on insurance, all you have to do is click once to make it disappear.
The entire travel industry has been doing the "well we only add insurance to protect our customers in case they don't have any" thing for decades.
I don't see anything wrong in principle with charging for all hold luggage, if this makes the cost less if you don't bring any.
All they are doing is "unbundling" things that cost them money and passing that cost on to those using each bit of the service.
I would never pay for seat selection. Its like Easyjet charge you for being first on the plane. I don't pay for that either. But if some people want this service, why not?
I don't mind being last on the plane. I am going to spend enough time in that cramped seat as it is, I ain't paying more to go and sit in it 20 minutes before I absolutely have to.
Do most airlines provide free water? I always assumed that all the no-frills lot charged for all drinks and food? Certainly Easyjet seem to. I usually buy grub and drinks in the airport, its better value and nicer food.
Giles..
The entire travel industry has been doing the "well we only add insurance to protect our customers in case they don't have any" thing for decades.
I don't see anything wrong in principle with charging for all hold luggage, if this makes the cost less if you don't bring any.
All they are doing is "unbundling" things that cost them money and passing that cost on to those using each bit of the service.
I would never pay for seat selection. Its like Easyjet charge you for being first on the plane. I don't pay for that either. But if some people want this service, why not?
I don't mind being last on the plane. I am going to spend enough time in that cramped seat as it is, I ain't paying more to go and sit in it 20 minutes before I absolutely have to.
Do most airlines provide free water? I always assumed that all the no-frills lot charged for all drinks and food? Certainly Easyjet seem to. I usually buy grub and drinks in the airport, its better value and nicer food.
Giles..
Donna Ferentes
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A lot longer and a great deal more expensive, certainly beyond the point where I could afford to do it.teuchter said:
Donna Ferentes
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Yes, but the odd thing is, all these things have been costing them money from the get-go and yet they didn't feel the need to charge (sorry, "unbundle") before.Giles said:
Donna Ferentes said:
Well, when they started out, what they were doing in the first place (no free meals and drinks, no allocated seats, inflexible fares etc) WAS unbundling. So is web booking - before that they had to employ people to answer phones and take payments off people.
They are just seeing how far they can go with it.
As someone else pointed out, watch out for when they start charging for some smart kid to play a Playstation flight simulator in his seat, and then you find out he is actually flying the plane......
Flying is still cheaper than it has ever been, to the point where a lot of people think it is TOO cheap, in terms of CO2 emissions etc.
Giles..
scifisam
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T & P said:
Living in Bethnal Green, it was far, far cheaper for us to get a Ryanair flight (2 adults one child). I looked into all the possibilities, and Eurostar would have been an extra 2 or 300 quid. The Stanstead Express was £30 in total, and Rome Ciampino is actually slightly closer to central Rome than the other one. We did pay for online check-in, and it was worth it; we wouldn't be interested in on-board food anyway, since I most likely wouldn't be able to eat it. And there's no way we'd want the hassle of checking luggage in.
We're not stupid, we're not being conned by the headline prices on the website, and we're not failing to take into account the extra costs - it simply is a fact that flying with Ryanair was much, much cheaper and more convenient. And we're not exactly exceptional customers.
The only reason I'd want to choose train over plane is for environmental reasons.
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
Giles said:
Some people may have no choice. Aer Fungus is pulling out of Shannon in January which means the only choice you'll have is to use Ryanair
corporate whore
oh, thought you were dead
Minnie_the_Minx said:
And who owns 25% of Aer Lingus, d'ya reckon? Why, its Ryanair! Everyone's a winner..
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
corporate whore said:
except the punters
Costs a lot more to use Aer Fungus because they operate from Heathrow
At least when Easyjet when into Shannon you had a bit more choice
PacificOcean
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I have just booked a return to Cork with Ryanair for £39 all in.
That is all*
*The fact that I can get to Cork cheaper than my weekly Zone 6 travelcard to work says more about TFL than Ryanair
That is all*
*The fact that I can get to Cork cheaper than my weekly Zone 6 travelcard to work says more about TFL than Ryanair
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
Aren't taxes £40.00 or summin ?
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Well Rome is a lot further away than Paris! I'm the first one to say it depends on the route in question.scifisam said:
Ryanair can cry all it wants but for the London-Paris route (the one it'd been bragging about in the censured ads), city centre to city centre, it is a very poor second to the train even if the ticket purchased is cheaper.
scifisam
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T & P said:
I doubt it very much, for me anyway, but that's partly because it's very easy and cheap for me to get to Stansted (admittedly, it's even easier and cheaper to Waterloo, but the difference isn't as much as you'd expect).
As I said, I'm in Bethnal Green - which isn't far from the City.
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