russias savage treatment of the chechen muslims and the wests tacit approval

[Badger Kitten]

and about what i think u said about getting radiation from womens hair, heres an advice from Muhammed Ali on hijab and the status of women he gave to one of his daughters

http://www.darvish.wordpress.com/200...daughter-talk/

You know Ali is Sufi, yes? And have you read the comments in that blog?

 

[dylanredefined]

Since chechyna is along way from anywhere the chance of the west intervening was neligble .Thats without russia having huge armed forces .And lots of oil and natrual resources .Ands its not as if the russians would take any notice of anything other than war.
Cant think what the west could do that would have made a diffrence .What
did other muslim countries do ?

 

[fattboy]

You know Ali is Sufi, yes? And have you read the comments in that blog?

yeah i know he is, better than being a NOI member who arent muslims at all, at least some sufi's are
i read a couple of comments, some clear and blatant shirk (polytheism) going on there, attributing things to the Prophet pbuh that belong only to Allah, thats how come a lot of sufis go out of the fold of Islam and arent muslims.
i dunno what Muhammed Ali's on to be honest.

it was a nice advice tho wasnt it?

 

[fattboy]

Sure you dont ...

i was referring to zionists, not all jews are zionists and not all zionists are jews.

some jews are totally against zionism.



the bald guy cracks me up, what an idiot

 

[fattboy]

How is that cussing your mother, shit-for-brains? I'm just presuming the threat of stoning stopped her from straying. Maybe I'm wrong. Either way, go and fuck yourself you anti-semitic twat.

i aint even gonna bother, i never argued with a fool but i lost.

 

[fattboy]

No, but supporting sharia law and the stoning of women to death does.

no it doesnt, committing adultery on ur spouse and kids is extremism.

 

[fattboy]

Since chechyna is along way from anywhere the chance of the west intervening was neligble .Thats without russia having huge armed forces .And lots of oil and natrual resources .Ands its not as if the russians would take any notice of anything other than war.
Cant think what the west could do that would have made a diffrence .What
did other muslim countries do ?

so is iraq and afghanistan, basically, the west only chooses weak and defenceless countries for sactions and regime changes doesnt it, it wont mess with anyone thats gonna hit them back is pretty much what ur saying there i think.

loads of aid has come from the muslim countries, most of the mujahadeen are 'foreign' and most of the ameers of the battlegroups have been arabs or turkish.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

no it doesnt, committing adultery on ur spouse and kids is extremism.

well committing adultery with your kids is fairly extreme...

 

[MikeMcc]

no it doesnt, committing adultery on ur spouse and kids is extremism.

It's unforgiveable, but not on a par with the physical violence of stoning people to death or subjecting them to the lash.

 

[Blagsta]

no it doesnt, committing adultery on ur spouse and kids is extremism.

You're fucked in the head pal.

 

[Blagsta]

It's unforgiveable, but not on a par with the physical violence of stoning people to death or subjecting them to the lash.

It's unforgiveable but understandable. People fall in love with others, get swept up in sexual chemistry, marriages fail. It's the very stuff of being human.

 

[MikeMcc]

It's unforgiveable but understandable. People fall in love with others, get swept up in sexual chemistry, marriages fail. It's the very stuff of being human.

Which makes draconian punishments even less understandable. It's getting off track though and better covered in the saudi rape case thread on the ME forum.

 

[zoltan]

It's unforgiveable but understandable. People fall in love with others, get swept up in sexual chemistry, marriages fail. It's the very stuff of being human.

are you suggesting that Women are allowed to have emtions and are not the property of the husband ?


tsk tsk tsk

liberal

 

[MikeMcc]

so is iraq and afghanistan, basically, the west only chooses weak and defenceless countries for sactions and regime changes doesnt it, it wont mess with anyone thats gonna hit them back is pretty much what ur saying there i think.

loads of aid has come from the muslim countries, most of the mujahadeen are 'foreign' and most of the ameers of the battlegroups have been arabs or turkish.

That goes for most countries though, not just the western ones. It probably suits the Saudi's to have the wars being faught in Iraq, afghanistan and Chechnya. It diverts the militants away from tackling issues in the KSA.

 

[Badger Kitten]

yeah i know he is, better than being a NOI member who arent muslims at all, at least some sufi's are
i read a couple of comments, some clear and blatant shirk (polytheism) going on there, attributing things to the Prophet pbuh that belong only to Allah, thats how come a lot of sufis go out of the fold of Islam and arent muslims.
i dunno what Muhammed Ali's on to be honest.

it was a nice advice tho wasnt it?

No, however well-meant, the advice sucked - women are not ''gold'' or ''pearls''to be owned by men; they are warm, living, breathing people who can make their own decisions about how they dress. And Leila Ali looked wonderful on Dancing with the stars, in which she came third, in beautiful dresses and she also looks fabulous smashing her opponents in the ring, wearing sportswear. She is a graceful, healthy woman and I am in favour of her wearing whatever the hell she wants when she dances, when she fights and when she prays and when she goes about her ordinary life.

 

[likesfish]

so you expect The west to take on Russia militarily to defend Chechnya?
Thats unrealistic.
even UN peace keepers wouldn't be allowed
more chance of supporting the native Americans with military equipment. than putting a realistic force in Chechnya
Russia can turn off the gas so sanctions are out and an arms embargo Rrussia makes its own

 

[Mallard]

Whilst not condoning Russia's actions in Chechnya, Shamil Basayev and his lot are far from blameless and the attitudes of Fatboy go some way to explain why I'd opt for Najibullah and the Spetnaz in Afghanistan rather than their succesors as would a lot of women I'd imagine.

 

[zoltan]

As I posted earlier, to discuss this on a Muslim oppression basis is utterly bogus.OP is sadly deluded in his approach

 

[fattboy]

That goes for most countries though, not just the western ones. It probably suits the Saudi's to have the wars being faught in Iraq, afghanistan and Chechnya. It diverts the militants away from tackling issues in the KSA.

without a doubt, sameway pakistan doesnt really do anything to stop ppl going into kashmir.

 

[fattboy]

No, however well-meant, the advice sucked - women are not ''gold'' or ''pearls''to be owned by men; they are warm, living, breathing people who can make their own decisions about how they dress. And Leila Ali looked wonderful on Dancing with the stars, in which she came third, in beautiful dresses and she also looks fabulous smashing her opponents in the ring, wearing sportswear. She is a graceful, healthy woman and I am in favour of her wearing whatever the hell she wants when she dances, when she fights and when she prays and when she goes about her ordinary life.

i never said anything owning them

 

[fattboy]

Whilst not condoning Russia's actions in Chechnya, Shamil Basayev and his lot are far from blameless and the attitudes of Fatboy go some way to explain why I'd opt for Najibullah and the Spetnaz in Afghanistan rather than their succesors as would a lot of women I'd imagine.

yeah, im not saying he was blameless, but ive yet to hear of him or any mujahadeen raping men and women in a field.

id have Shamil Basayev any day over those sick twisted spetznaz bastards

 

[Brainaddict]

I'm looking forward to fattboy's banning I'm not sure at this point whether it will be for anti-semitism, mysogyny or more generalised stupid bigotry, but since he's walking a very fine line on all three on this thread (and every other place he posts) I think it's only a matter of time


As an aside, what a lost opportunity to have a reasonable debate about chechnya.

 

[fattboy]

so you expect The west to take on Russia militarily to defend Chechnya?
Thats unrealistic.
even UN peace keepers wouldn't be allowed
more chance of supporting the native Americans with military equipment. than putting a realistic force in Chechnya
Russia can turn off the gas so sanctions are out and an arms embargo Rrussia makes its own

in the old days england used to pride itself on defending the underdogs, shame theyve become such a bunch of punks.

 

[Dillinger4]

I'm looking forward to fattboy's banning I'm not sure at this point whether it will be for anti-semitism, mysogyny or more generalised stupid bigotry, but since he's walking a very fine line on all three on this thread (and every other place he posts) I think it's only a matter of time


As an aside, what a lost opportunity to have a reasonable debate about chechnya.

I have been following his posts as well. Maybe we should open a book on just which one eventually gets him banned.

 

[Dillinger4]

in the old days england used to pride itself on defending the underdogs, shame theyve become such a bunch of punks.

*puts on some crass records*

 

[butchersapron]

in the old days england used to pride itself on defending the underdogs, shame theyve become such a bunch of punks.

You don't honestly think Britain has ever went to war to help the plucky underdog do you? You know that western meddling that you're complaining about in places like Afghanisatan? Guess what?

punks? This is great stuff. What an indepth understanding of geo-political strategy you have. All muslim all the time.

 

[butchersapron]

I honestly don't see why he should be banned. He's serving a great purpose here.

 

[butchersapron]

in the old days england used to pride itself on defending the underdogs, shame theyve become such a bunch of punks.

What do we want?

UK troops out of Afghanisatan and Iraq and into Checnya!

When do we want it?

As soon as logistically possible and we've made the neccesary defences for the continent wide war that will follow

 

[dylanredefined]

so is iraq and afghanistan, basically, the west only chooses weak and defenceless countries for sactions and regime changes doesnt it, it wont mess with anyone thats gonna hit them back is pretty much what ur saying there i think.

loads of aid has come from the muslim countries, most of the mujahadeen are 'foreign' and most of the ameers of the battlegroups have been arabs or turkish.

Basically yes unfortunatly .What reason should the west intervene could it possible work .Or would the west be seen as another interferying foriegn army ?

 

[Dillinger4]

I honestly don't see why he should be banned. He's serving a great purpose here.

No BA, you don't get it. You just cant handle the truth