Russia/the ex USSR: Situation beter now or then?

[JWH]

restoration of capitalism

 

[Ryazan]

A couple of National Bolsheviks. Yesterday.

http://www.nbp.nad.ru/new/photo/girls/105.htm

 

[oisleep]

why don't swappies look like this!

 

[Ryazan]

Russian women...

*sigh, swoon*

No, make that nice lookin- but with ugly and extreme nationalist views using the hammer and sickle in an ironic way- Russian women.

*sigh, puke, swoon.*

 

[Idris2002]

Now I'm confused. Russia before 1917 was heavily penetrated by capitalist development was it not? And the efforts of the neo-liberals since 1991 have been aimed at restoring capitalism, surely?

Even if you take T.Cliff's word as gospel, you have to admit what's been built here since 1991 are very different from what some would call 'state capitalism'.

 

[Idris2002]

Looking at those NBP girls I'm wondering if the whole thing was an Eduard Limonov conceptual art project that got out of hand. . .

 

[steeplejack]

Looking at those NBP girls I'm wondering if the whole thing was an Eduard Limonov conceptual art project that got out of hand. . .

I have to agree. A piss-take, surely?

 

[Taxamo Welf]

i don't care i'm joining! How do you say 'i'll renounce democracy if you fuck me' in russian Ryan?

 

[Taxamo Welf]

now this girl is a bit more swp style. How long before they kill her for having trotskyist hair?

 

[JWH]

Russia before 1917 was heavily penetrated by capitalist development was it not?

Surely not - the Russian empire was a few tiny islands of industrialisation in a vast sea of peasantry and pre-capitalist production.

 

[Ryazan]

i don't care i'm joining! How do you say 'i'll renounce democracy if you fuck me' in russian Ryan?

You wouldn't get far then would you.

Durak.

 

[Ryazan]

I have to agree. A piss-take, surely?

It is a piss-take.

 

[Taxamo Welf]

You wouldn't get far then would you.

Durak.

Sorry i don't get it..? NBP = communazis, neither ideology partiularly up on democracy in the western sense.

Durak n roll?

 

[Taxamo Welf]

It is a piss-take.

No, no its not.

Its a real organisation who's members are really in prison.

Ryan your going silly again.

 

[Ryazan]

Sorry i don't get it..? NBP = communazis, neither ideology partiularly up on democracy in the western sense.

Durak n roll?

They aren't communists. At least that is what they say. Their use fo the Hammer and sickle is both a way of harping back to past Russian glory (considering they are nationalist) and also a form of ironic pranksterism. If you look at the fflag they use it is similar to the Nazi one in terms of colour scheme with a red background containing a white circle. Instead of a swastika there is a hammer and sickle in black. Is that so hard to understand? They seem to have a deadpan sense of humour.

The National Bolsheviks have some pretty extreme views, but I don't think they have any set ideology now except for openly opposing and protesting against Putin's government on a range of social and political issues. Hence a few youngsters in prison. They have attracted people of different political hues, from far left to probably facist. Just a concoction of radical students who seem to love their leader, the vain Limonov.

Durak= idiot.

 

[oisleep]

sorry

 

[Ryazan]

No, no its not.

Its a real organisation who's members are really in prison.

Ryan your going silly again.

The Our Combat Girlfriends section of the NBP's national website is I believe a piss-take.

 

[Ryazan]

Bash!

 

[Ryazan]

Moya malenkaya devushka! Shto Dalayesh?

 

[JWH]

fwiw, I don't think it is a pisstake. i believe they are all members - the 25+ section of the party may even be negligable.

The NBP are neither commies nor Nazis.

 

[oisleep]

they're hotties make no mistake, i say make no mistake

 

[Ryazan]

Not the members. The whole concept of that particular part of their website. They must be taking the piss. All lovely young girls striking poses. They aren't being serious. "Our Combat Gilrfriends". C'mon. It's gotta be a piss-take.

 

[oisleep]

see this face, does this face look bothered like

 

[Ryazan]

I'm not bothered either. bang like a shithouse door, some of those members can recruit me to do some under-the-cover activities any time they bloody well wish! But the post was in response to JWH anyway. I think it is still a piss-take though.

 

[JWH]

Only one way for us to find out for sure, Ryazzers!

 

[Ryazan]

I am going back to Moscow in Febuary for my first trip to Russia in 2006, so might make an attempt to join them, for a drink or two.

I am not saying that those girls are not members of the NBP, just that the Our Combat Girlfriends thing is a joke.

 

[oisleep]

it's a bloody good joke though

 

[Ryazan]

I don't know, there is small band of Moscow based Neo-Nazi Feminist skins called the Russian Girls. I wonder what they look like. I mean the physical appearance of the female members is very important when choosing a political organisation to join.

 

[Taxamo Welf]

ryan, 'neo nazi feminists'? Come on, thats like an ice fire.

 

[rioted]

A friend has just come back from working in Rumania. He said the thing that struck him most wasn't the pasty-faced, threadbare nature of most of the population living alongside the worst excesses of capitalism (casinos, the sex industry), but the way young people referred to "the revolution" and the older ones to "the so-called revolution".