Russia Invading Georgia
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Or with the US bombing Kosovo.
The Georgian president must be an idiot, but the thing that annoys me most is his constant TV appearances where he claims Russia started it, and claims he has a free press in Georgia - his claims go unchallenged by BBC interviewers.
The BBC basically never interview Russian government spokesmen or shows more than brief clips of recorded interviews. I agree the coverage is ridiculous.
Georgia will suffer econmically, as investors will not have much confidence in the security of pipelines running through the country.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
I find it alarming that it's being said Georgia now has a pretty good chance of getting into NATO.
A very good point mentioned about the difference between Isreals 30 day war last year and this situation. There was no UN agreement there either but the narrative was clearly "well they've got to do something about the terrorist threat".
A very good point mentioned about the difference between Isreals 30 day war last year and this situation. There was no UN agreement there either but the narrative was clearly "well they've got to do something about the terrorist threat".
Chester Copperpot
Triple stones
The US want them on board but until they sort out their boarder disputes the rest of NATO won't want them anywhere near in case they... Err, go to war with Russia.
No one in this conflict is looking too good:
Georgia attacks autonomous region during peace talks.
Russia responds by attacking/invading Georgia.
Nato complains that Russia is doing (more or less) what Nato did in Kosovo/Serbia.
That was the first thing that struck me today when the reports were saying "An over-reaction". No such terminology was used about the Lebanon, apart from on here IIRC.
I thought the general consensus was that the Russian-backed rebels had provoked Georgia into a military response which played directly into the hands of the Russians.
A miscalculation on the part of Georgia but Russia didn't waste much time in sending in the military hardware.
And why should they have? If the Russians were training an army on the borders of the US and Russian allies were selling that army weapons, do you think the US would be prepared for any possible outbreak of violence?
Of course they would be! But the Russians were arming the rebels too whilst acting as 'peace-keepers' in the region. Truth is the first casualty of war but it's well documented that Russia has as much interest in Georgia as the west does. Didn't they try and poison the president or was that just a rumour/elsewhere?
Georgia also had peacekeepers in the area, and their military expenditure had increased over forty times (its obvious now where it was going) and the Russians claim Georgian peacekeepers were involved in shooting at Russians. Again, if the shoe was on the other foot the US would do everything Russia did and probably more.
Russia should have more interest in Georgia than the west does. The same way the US should have more interest in its neighbours than Russia does. Common sense says that should be the case, but when Russia is concerned about the influence of NATO on its borders, its interests are portrayed across the world as mirky subterfuge.
Russia should have more interest in Georgia than the west does. The same way the US should have more interest in its neighbours than Russia does. Common sense says that should be the case, but when Russia is concerned about the influence of NATO on its borders, its interests are portrayed across the world as mirky subterfuge.
All America all the time.
SO you support Russian actions in regards to Georgia? I certainly do not.
The boys on Urban in their enyielding quest to bring the United States into every subject are expounding on the war in the former Yugoslavia to explain Russia's invasion of Georgia.
"At this point, some of the worst genocidal activities of the four-year-old conflict occurred. In Srebrenica, a Safe Haven, U.N. peacekeepers stood by helplessly as the Serbs under the command of General Ratko Mladic systematically selected and then slaughtered nearly 8,000 men and boys between the ages of twelve and sixty - the worst mass murder in Europe since World War II. In addition, the Serbs continued to engage in mass rapes of Muslim females."
http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/bosnia.htm
No one is accusing the Georgians of committing atrocities against the Ossetians, as what happened under the Serbs.
But what happened in the former Yugoslavia offers great insight on European helplessness and dependence. Fifty years after the atrocities of Hitler, EUROPE WAS STILL UNABLE TO SOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS WITHOUT THE US.
The great civilizations that gave so much to the world could not solve problems in their own backyard without a powerful country thousands of miles away. After all those years Europe was still dependent.
And you still are dependent.
"At this point, some of the worst genocidal activities of the four-year-old conflict occurred. In Srebrenica, a Safe Haven, U.N. peacekeepers stood by helplessly as the Serbs under the command of General Ratko Mladic systematically selected and then slaughtered nearly 8,000 men and boys between the ages of twelve and sixty - the worst mass murder in Europe since World War II. In addition, the Serbs continued to engage in mass rapes of Muslim females."
http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/bosnia.htm
No one is accusing the Georgians of committing atrocities against the Ossetians, as what happened under the Serbs.
But what happened in the former Yugoslavia offers great insight on European helplessness and dependence. Fifty years after the atrocities of Hitler, EUROPE WAS STILL UNABLE TO SOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS WITHOUT THE US.
The great civilizations that gave so much to the world could not solve problems in their own backyard without a powerful country thousands of miles away. After all those years Europe was still dependent.
And you still are dependent.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
How quaint, the septic thinks we don't know how badly Dependant the ruling clarses are on US support. Bless him
Mikey77 did not blame America you idiot.
He placed a hypothetical comparison stating something very obvious to most people with any intelligence (this excludes you then) that if a situation like this had occured on the border of the US, the US would have acted in similar fashion.
I suggest you read Mikey77's post again, assuming you have mastered the art of reading.
Given the fact that you support America's bloody and immoral invasion, rape, plunder and occupation of Iraq, that is rich coming from you.
You have no right to even comment on this, so fuck off you worthless cunt.
Not one person has tried to explain the Russia-Georgia war by using the Yugoslavian civil war.
What some posters have done is to compare the policy of the Western powers in supporting the concept of national self-determination and secession in the Yugoslavian civil war (Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo) to the current Western position of not supporting a the right of the Ossetian people to their own process of self-determination.
They have correctly exposed Western and US hypocrisy for what it is, that the US and it's lackeys could not care one bit for the right of a nations or peoples to choose their own destiny and their right to self-determination; Iraq, as well as the current position of the West/US to Ossetia has shown this to be true, that the West/US only cares about the concepts of national self-determination when it suits their geo-political interests, not as a matter of principle.
That the US invade and occupy the once sovereign nation of Iraq (which it occupies to this day) and then come out with trash statements at the UN Security Council about Russia's conduct of it's war with Georgia shows that the US is unable to ever conduct diplomacy without resorting to gross lies, fabrications and hypocrisy of the first order.
Except Ossetian refugees living in temporary camps, with many women refugees stating cases of mass rape by Georgian soldiers and other cases of mass looting by Georgian forces of Ossetian villages.
Fuck off.
We don't need NATO nor do we need your poor excuse of an army in Europe.
I look forward for the day when the US leaves Europe for good, your military forces, companies, lobbyists, awful television 'programmes' and junk Hollywood 'movies' and every other aspect of American sub-cultural rubbish can all go back from whence they came.
I suppose that Georgia is to the US what Cuba is/was the the former Soviet union. In terms of strategic location I mean.
dilute micro
esse quam videri
Whatever would possibly give people that idea?
So angry
No one force feeds the world American culture they all seem to like it.
All America all the time.
If you don't like it try to improve your movies and television productions. People watch what they like.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
If you think american cultural hegemony isn't force-fed on the end of a gun or a loan contract then you are sorely ignorant my man.
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
Actually, Phil's reponse is very close to mine when i first heard about it.
Second reaction was - why don't they have a legal process for breaking up the country? Have a vote - 50+1% and they separate/rejoin russia/whatever.
Seems far more civilized that the method being currently used.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
Just goes to show what a set of violent, controlling, free loading cunts world leaders are. Fighting like little children over scraps of land that have strategic importance whilst innocent civilians die in the process.
As for Mears.......lol......usual foolish rubbish parroted by an imperialist and nationalist.
As for Mears.......lol......usual foolish rubbish parroted by an imperialist and nationalist.
dilute micro
esse quam videri
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
So angry
No one force feeds the world American culture they all seem to like it.
All America all the time.
If you don't like it try to improve your movies and television productions. People watch what they like.
Is this the best you can muster? Tut, tut and I'd hoped for so much better. You being an Objectivist and all that.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
Churchill was right. We should have taken over Moscow when we had the chance. Russian cunts. 
teqniq
DisMembered
I thought that was General Patton? Maybe Churchill said it too.....Nevertheless they are cunts (the leaders that is) but so are the Americans, so are ours. The Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili is a stupid cunt for possibly believing that the west may actually come to their assistance in this misadventure. I've seen him described as 'headrstong' in the media of late. Should a new dercription of this word be added to the dictionary?Churchill was right. We should have taken over Moscow when we had the chance. Russian cunts.
Headstrong (adj) To unnecessarily cause in excess of 1000 civilian casualties in an ill-considered military action with foreseeable consequences given that the next-door neighbour is much stronger.
Great.
Churchill was right. We should have taken over Moscow when we had the chance. Russian cunts.
Yes, Churchill the renowned opponent of Imperialism.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
While the rest of us are rather more dependent on Russian hydrocarbons these days, which in the end may turn out to be more important.
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