Enough said i suppose.
Rules and Regulations
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Enough said i suppose.
But they're still living by all the rules and laws set by previous governments...
All this is saying is that we don't need a government. But, however, this is an interesting thing in itself.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
depends on whether you assume that the society would instantly reject common sense as well as it's administration....
rogue_lettuce
Well-Known Member
It depends-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy_in_Somalia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Insurrectionary_Army_of_Ukraine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_Catalonia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EZLN
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anarchist_communities#Celtic_Ireland_.28650-1650.29
EDIT: To clarify, "it depends" was in reference to the question in the original post.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy_in_Somalia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Insurrectionary_Army_of_Ukraine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_Catalonia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EZLN
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anarchist_communities#Celtic_Ireland_.28650-1650.29
EDIT: To clarify, "it depends" was in reference to the question in the original post.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Not quite. Apparently they're not currently taking the "cultural parity" rules too seriously.
Yes that's what I meant. Not just the state but any rules that are imposed rather than reached by agreement by those who are expected to abide by them.
As a sort of an aside, i manage to spend just about my entire life ignoring the rules imposed from above if i think they're stupid or detrimental to my freedom in life. Furthermore i'm in a work situation where i might be expected to ensure rules from above are adhered to, yet if i don't like the rules, or think they're rules for rules' sake, then i will again ignore the rules.
I think it's important to think carefully and conscientously about each and every rule, and to deal with it accordingly. It's my life, and i'm not going to let some git i don't even know impact negatively on my life.
I guess i should add that this is one of the major reasons i can never live in england again. I'm always asked on my trips home whether i will come back to live, but with all the rules and regulations and control going on, it is just impossible. The general freedom of everyday living in my adopted country thailand exceeds that in england by miles.
What was your point exactly?
The first item you mention happens all over the world, and most of what happens in thailand is by european and other white men. And it has a big fat zero to do with my daily freedom to live which is what i was talking about.
Your second item seriously infringes my freedoms. Not only do i want to talk about the king every day, but even though he's a respectful and popular man, i yearn to insult him every day during my meal times.
rogue_lettuce
Well-Known Member
I imagine you've got more freedom to discuss the merits and demerits of Guy Fawkes' plot over your meal times too. We, on the other hand, could be had up in front of a judge for glorifying terrorism...
I guess you knew i was being heavily ironic...!
It's interesting nowadays just what freedom is supposed to be in britain. The reply by isitme supports my belief that british people think freedom is being able to say what they like when they like.
For me, freedom is much more than that. Freedom for me is an absence of ridiculous rules and regulations that are designed to control my movement and life simply because the people passing these rules want to control me.
I don't want to be controlled by some faceless bastard, and my point before was to say that in thailand i'm not, while each visit i take back to england shows me a country more and more mired in rules for just about everything.
The classic this time was parking my car in a pay and display. I then luckily remembered to go to the machine (no such parking problems in thailand) to pay for a ticket. However the machine told me it needed me to inform it of the last three digits of my numberplate. In attempting to satisfy the machine, it became impossible to get a ticket for i simply could not work out how to give it the required digits. A bloke passing by told me that i would need to take a course to work out what to do. Lucky me, not stupid after all.
But why the need for these three digits? I just wanted a ticket to conform. I was told by a friend that this meant that if i returned to my car early i couldn't give my ticket away for another lucky person to use up the time on the ticket.
Some insane idiot thought this rule up.
Britain is chock full of rules and regulations and laws. The country seems strangled by them.
rogue_lettuce
Well-Known Member
It took me a couple of seconds, but yes I did, by the time I posted that
Corrected your above post.
Sometimes it seems to me that only the radicals (communists, anarchists, etc) have kept any reasonable, common-sense grip on how far is too far when it comes to the government in this country (and some others too). Now we may not all be able to agree that we need to overthrow the government with strength of arms, or that we should live in a stateless society of voluntary organisations, but surely we can all agree that the UK having 25% of the world's CCTV is insanely over-the-top?
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
Each and everyone of us live by a series of rules and regulations. Some are imposed from on high, some from the constraints of the lives that we live in, and some by your personal moral compass. All human societies have rules and regulations in some shape and form and always will.
I think we've moved on to how these rules should be agreed...
chainsaw cat
Tea. Biccies. Happy now?
They want your last 3 so that you can't do that small decency, pass your unexpired ticket to another driver as you leave. If you do, the ticket Gruppenfuhrer will be able to say that the recipient of your generosity is a crim.
Effectively, they want to hire you a parking space in blocks of an hour, and if you have any time left they won't give you your change or let you benefit someone else.
I know it's only a relatively small thing but you really have hit on a point here - the way car parks are run is just nasty, grasping and designed to put you in breach of some poxy little bye law if you have the wrong change or are 3 minutes late.
My dad went hill walking a while ago, in Snowdonia. He parked in the little council carpark at the foot of Carnedd Dafydd, the western end of Llyn Ogwen. Many a time had he been there before, but now all of a sudden there's a ticket machine. But it was broken so he couldn't put his 20p in (20 p!!!!)
He left a note in the windscreen to that effect and off he hillwalked.
On returning, guess what - a penalty notice! Months of wrangling ended up with him about 400 quid down and convicted of some obscure offence. The solicitor for the council said what he should have done is gone home rather than park for free.
Outrageous but there you go. That's UK.
chainsaw cat
Tea. Biccies. Happy now?
No, it's whether they are enforced or not that matters.
Not just outrageous, but to my mind as pathetic a human behaviour i can think of at the minute.
Also i don't think it is actually a small thing! I was over in england for two or three weeks and did quite a lot of driving. Previously quite a nice experience (compared to the somewhat more chaotic version here in thailand), it was an awful experience this time.
I spent more time looking at my speedometer than the roads in order to check i didn't got a couple of mph over the limit, thereby being recorded by a camera and being faced with a very high fine for me.
I wanted to spend a few hours in brighton one afternoon, but was limited to just a two hour parking spot by the rules. Upon having to leave my shopping expedition prematurely in order to satisfy this rule i was then not allowed to return to my space within four hours or i would get a ticket.
If i had erroneously parked at a motorway service station, a clamp and 330 quid fine would have impacted on my life.
Police cars were almost everywhere.
I travelled on almost empty motorways, stuck doing an uncomfortable 70mph.
I saw traffic wardens with digital cameras photographing cars. In fact parking in britain seems to be a nightmare out of an evil novel.
No mate, i don't think this is a small thing. I think it's officioiusness gone insane, and it had a real impact on my feelings of well-being and freedom in life.
I have barely muttered a complaint back in my town in thailand about the driving since!
Wolveryeti
Detty Pig
The problem is that there are people paid to come up with rules and regulations, and they get pangs of guilt/criticism over their value for money, so they go for quantity not quality.
Hang on a minute, my brain is beginning to really grasp this story! Let me sum it up if you don't mind.
Your old man wants to enjoy a bit of walking in the hils in his country. He parks his car at a previously free car park.
However a machine now wants the paltry sum of 20 pence, but the machine has broken itself down so cannot accept any money.
Your dad actually leaves a note explaining this, and goes off to enjoy himself in some good british nature.
He comes back to find a ticket.
He ends up having to pay 400 quid in fines.
Because the machine was broken down. He failed to pay 20 pence.
Amazing story. But commonplace when i think about the things people told me last month when over there. This really is a case of the state barging its horrible nose into people's general everyday lives. With not an ounce of common sense being prevailed upon.
What insanity.
This is a key point.
Thailand has many rules and laws to govern daily life, but thais break most of them with impunity most of the time. The reason?
It seems that built into their genes is the need to have life go as easy as possible. A rule that makes life more awkward for them is therefore ignored. And on the whole it is not enforced.
On the whole this is a very satisfactory method of getting through life! Their culture places a higher emphasis on making life easy compared to enforcing rules. A wee bit of security/safety is foresaken too, but freedom seems to be king...
