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Rugby Union 2017-18

Discussion in 'general sports' started by bendeus, Jul 27, 2017.

  1. bendeus

    bendeus Bellend Tagline Generator

    Yes. This. Gatland and his backroom team's coaching is becoming increasingly irrelevant. Half of our team being shit is far more of an issue. Just like England post 2003 as you rightly state (but without a W/C in the bag ;))
     
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  2. bendeus

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    It's because Jiffy has made a cushy career out of spouting hackneyed shite as a pundit and never actually challenging the status quo in any way given its closeness to his paymasters. Jackson, while irascible is also someone unafraid of speaking truth to the powers that be and in doing so presents a threat to Jif's luvly gravy train. Hence the hatred. It's the likes of Davies and Martyn Williams unquestioningly spouting party line platitudes in the studio that are just as responsible for the deepening clusterfuck as the blazers and coaches who got us here in the first place.

    E2A: after our second try I dared to dream. Didn't last long, though
     
  3. 1927

    1927 Funnier than he thinks he is.

    When have we done that ever?

    Rhetorical question! I know the answer. Do you?

    Id settle for beating 2 of the small SH teams consistently, or 2 of the big NH teams. Fuck that, beating anyone consistently would do right now!
     
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  4. Grandma Death

    Grandma Death Reconfiguring & Reconstructing

    Without googling I wouldn't know. But bendeus asked me what my opinion was and that's what I think that. I don't think that's unachievable. Teams ebb and flow and right now the gap between the NH and the SH is narrowing.

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  5. Grandma Death

    Grandma Death Reconfiguring & Reconstructing

    Is its pessimism on the same level as bendeus thought. 6 years of being in the doldrums? Can't see that which is why I'm gonna enjoy my pint from bendeus

    BTW bendeus me suggesting tandy for coach was real clutching at straws ha ha. WTF is happening with the ospreys? See they've bagged Scott Williams today though

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  6. Teaboy

    Teaboy It definitely looks brighter over there..

    I don't think there is any gap between the NH and the SH now. There is a gap between NZ and the rest but even that is narrowing. If I had to rank teams now I'd say England, Ireland and Scotland would all beat Oz and SA more times then they would lose to them.

    The Saffa's are in a mess and its not just rugby its the same in Cricket, there are some serious structural problems in SA sport that make Welsh rugby problems look tiny. I also think Oz have been talked up too much. Sure they beat NZ but only in a dead rubber when the tournament was over and they are certainly better then the team that both the Lions and England beat over there, but I'm not having it that they're all that.

    I don't see why not if the comparison to England post WC winners is to hold. If you spend all your time and effort focusing on the squad you have it'll take at least 6 years to fix the mess that occurs when the inevitable retirements come around. This is where Ireland have been so effective as they seem to have managed this better than most.
     
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  7. Teaboy

    Teaboy It definitely looks brighter over there..

    On a similar note can anyone explain to me why WRU seem to always want to play a game outside of the international window? Will they be able to scrape a front row together? Any Welsh urbs do a job at 3? Take your boots along as you may get a game.
     
  8. Grandma Death

    Grandma Death Reconfiguring & Reconstructing

    I'll happily take the pint bet with you too teaboy. Wales will not be in the doldrums for 6 years.

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  9. bendeus

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    You're using the wrong metrics. It has nothing to do with the gap between NH and SH and everything to do with the one between Wales and teams we would normally regard as our equals.
     
  10. 1927

    1927 Funnier than he thinks he is.

    I'll save you the hassle of googling. We have NEVER, repeat NEVER beaten any SH team consistently, let alone 2 out of the big 3.
     
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  11. bendeus

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    Cash. Greed. It's insane. That extra match, instigated by Roger, helped him to pay down the stadium debt faster: seemingly his ONLY meaningful performance measure as WRU CEO. That it's scant few days before the next round of the HEC/Championship and thus has traditionally robbed Welsh regions of key players going into the most crucial phase of European group stage rugby seemingly means nothing to them.
     
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  12. Grandma Death

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    Seriously though teaboy. Wales arent focusing on the squad they have. If anything I'd say gatland can be efficient at times (not always) in dispensing with players he doesn't think are up to scratch and don't fit his game plan. It's quite clear Wales are bringing in new players and playing differently. If there's one view I heard on Scrum V I agree with... This should been done last year.

    I don't think (although correct me if I'm wrong here) the comparison between England post World Cup and this Welsh team is a fair one. England did stick a lot with that team and I don't see the same happening with the Welsh team.

    Sure there are some of the 'old guard' but we don't have the strength in depth and at club level players like priestland and cuthbert are playing well at the moment. I don't see any issues bringing players back like that

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  13. Grandma Death

    Grandma Death Reconfiguring & Reconstructing

    Are you saying that's unachievable?

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  14. 1927

    1927 Funnier than he thinks he is.

    Overall you may be right, but Wales are the exception which proves the rule. we are as far away from beating the SH teams right now as we have ever been.
     
  15. 1927

    1927 Funnier than he thinks he is.

    100% yes, and I'll stake much more than a pint that we both go to our graves before it happens if it ever does.
     
  16. Grandma Death

    Grandma Death Reconfiguring & Reconstructing

    It's the right metric if I'm suggesting I see consistently beaten two of the 3 big SH team as a positive result?

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  17. bendeus

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    Seriously, mate. Who's coming through that gives you confidence that we won't be whipping boys for the next x years (6 may be an underestimation, btw - England had thriving clubs and a solid development pathway in 03; we have neither)?
     
  18. Grandma Death

    Grandma Death Reconfiguring & Reconstructing

    I'll happily take that pint from you. That's two pints coming my way.

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  19. 1927

    1927 Funnier than he thinks he is.

    Are you smoking something?

    We have beaten NZ 3 times in 100+ years, 1905, 1935 and 1953. SA have only fallen to us 3 times, 199, 2014 and 2016, Australia are the poorest of the SH nations in that they have lost to us 10 times, only 3 of which have occurred in the past 30years.

    Where do you get this idea we can consistently beat 2 of 3 of these teams?
     
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  20. Teaboy

    Teaboy It definitely looks brighter over there..

    FWIW I hope you're right. Its been a poor Autumn for Wales though and a spirited performance in a losing cause means very little.
     
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  21. bendeus

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    Depends, dunnit? If the new world order is NZ, England, Ireland, Scotland, Aus, SA then simply beating SA and Aus regularly is not enough as they'll be down the pecking order and 5th and 6th should be a minimum we should aspire to being, let alone beating .

    Regardless, however, we won't beat either with any kind of regularity
     
  22. bendeus

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    Thanks. My point all along: fuck plucky defeats
     
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  23. Teaboy

    Teaboy It definitely looks brighter over there..

    Becoming Scotland just as they've got bored of it. Not great.
     
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  24. bendeus

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    :D

    That hurts.

    I'm well chuffed for starfish though. He's borne well over a decade of bummings with customary good grace. It's now the turn of myself, 1927, Threshers Flail and Grandma Death to pick up the mantle. Can't promise the good grace, though.
     
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  25. gawkrodger

    gawkrodger Well-Known Member

    :D:D:D
     
  26. Grandma Death

    Grandma Death Reconfiguring & Reconstructing


    Go back to the original question Bendeus asked.

    He asked what I would say is a measure of success and I suggested beating two of the three SH teams consistently-I didnt say we can-I said thats what I would consider a measure of success
     
  27. Grandma Death

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    I hear what youre saying. The development of players in this country is woefully inadequate for a number of reasons-that structure, however bad, hasn't stopped us from getting notable results however. The RFU, despite all its resources, didnt help England much after their WC win.

    I dont pretend to know the answers Bendeus-but Im more optimistic about our current direction (in terms of how we're playing) than I was several months ago.

    You aren't-and I doubt we'll ever agree on it too. But as long as we've had rugby banter I dont recall you ever being positive about our chances or given much hope for the players. Even when we have achieved some positive results.

    Maybe you think too hard-maybe im unrealistically optimistic. Lets just see.

    6 years in the doldrums is the wager ;)
     
  28. Grandma Death

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    As I was born in Edinburgh-I will admit to Scotland being my B team. So Im looking forward to what will hopefully a bit of a golden era for scottish rugby....at least it it takes away some of the pain of being a welsh supporter (for 2 years mx-6 year min depending on which side of the fence you're on ;) )
     
  29. bendeus

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    Vile calumny! I was positive in 2006, 2009 and 2010 and look where that got me. I was also positive during the 08 and 12 slams, as well as during the AIs between 2005 and 2012. I have merely been ground down by the unbearable heaviness of being a Welsh rugby fan. :mad::p
     
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  30. bendeus

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    It would appear not. We have selected Bath's third choice TH to start and a failed conversion from LH (where he was actually really decent, thanks Gats!) as his backup. In response the meat eaters have selected the heaviest LH who has ever started for them (apparently). What could possibly go wrong?

    The Wales XXIII is a sick joke, btw. Even against Boer lite we're going to get munched.
     

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