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are you calling me naive and counter-productive?phildwyer said:
I do understand a little about jamaican culture, admittedly not heaps, but I'm not prepared to say that gaybashing's ok because that's the way things are. young men get murdered just for liking other blokes - that's tragic in this day and age
PacificOcean
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Fuck off will I tolerate someone who condones murdering gays. If this was a racist issue you lot would rightly be the first to jump up and down, but why when it comes to gays suddenly we have to be more "understanding"?
I have never listened to his music - but then if I was black and there was a band that sang about murdering black people, would I listen to them or tolerate it? Fuck would I. What's the difference?
I have never listened to his music - but then if I was black and there was a band that sang about murdering black people, would I listen to them or tolerate it? Fuck would I. What's the difference?
It's cultural TG - they don't know any better.Tank Girl said:are you calling me naive and counter-productive?
I do understand a little about jamaican culture, admittedly not heaps, but I'm not prepared to say that gaybashing's ok because that's the way things are. young men get murdered just for liking other blokes - that's tragic in this day and age
PacificOcean
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Dubversion said:
I am so sorry, you are right. I should try to find out and understand why someone would call for my murder first before I condem them.
And you call me a twat?
PacificOcean said:
where did anyone ask you to?
PacificOcean said:
where has anyone said that?
PacificOcean
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Dubversion said:
You did in post #30
PacificOcean said:
erm. no. what i did was draw your attention to an organisation campaigning against homophobia in dancehall.
the words tolerance, understanding etc were not in my post.
PacificOcean
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Dubversion said:
Erm, fair enough.
But you did call me a twat first.
PacificOcean said:Erm, fair enough.
But you did call me a twat first.
because you fired off at AG without actually knowing what her stance was.
not saying i don't do that too, sometimes, but then i often get called a twat
Can't say I approve of some of his lyrics, but Beanie Man seems to attract far more attention and vitriol than other suspects.
After all, aren't there enough fundamentalist Christians and assorted religious nutters in much more influential positions advocating more hate than even a a gravelly voiced toaster from a macho culture can manage.
The guy may be a bit of a cunt, but he's been made into an easy target. It's always easier to rage against a blustering black muso than more serious proponents of hate.
After all, aren't there enough fundamentalist Christians and assorted religious nutters in much more influential positions advocating more hate than even a a gravelly voiced toaster from a macho culture can manage.
The guy may be a bit of a cunt, but he's been made into an easy target. It's always easier to rage against a blustering black muso than more serious proponents of hate.
aurora green
Tectonic
Oooops, I didn't mean to plunge myself head first into a can of worms, that I'm not even sure I can get out of.
err..What can I say? I was into techno for years, and got into dance hall for the rhythms, the base lines...didnt even understand a word of it for years, - no excuse I know, and I signed the petion campaigning agianst homophobic lyrics in dancehall long time ago.
Don't really know what I can say, except that I condem homophobia and homophobic lyrics, but I love the dancehall genre and choose to listen to tunes that dont have these lyrics, of which Beanie man has a few...
err..What can I say? I was into techno for years, and got into dance hall for the rhythms, the base lines...didnt even understand a word of it for years, - no excuse I know, and I signed the petion campaigning agianst homophobic lyrics in dancehall long time ago.
Don't really know what I can say, except that I condem homophobia and homophobic lyrics, but I love the dancehall genre and choose to listen to tunes that dont have these lyrics, of which Beanie man has a few...
PacificOcean
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tarannau said:
See what I mean? Why turn this into a race issue? Kill gays - that's fine. But you can't criticise him cos he's black. I don't give a fuck that he's black and I think he has more influence than some extreme chrisitan nutter.
PacificOcean said:
no no no no no....
of course it's not alright because he's black, but there is still an issue to be considered when black artists receive more criticism than white artists for the same outpourings of bigotry (Eminem for example).
I totally misread the first post and was more excited about possibility of a Black and Decker shop having opened on the High St. You should see the state of my flat and some power tools would be welcome...
Although Bosch would be better, or Dewalt, but beggars can't be choosers when B&Q is so far away.
Although Bosch would be better, or Dewalt, but beggars can't be choosers when B&Q is so far away.
PacificOcean
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Dubversion said:
I have equal scorn for Eminem. Though as I no nothing of the genre, As far as I know he hasn't acutaly sung about murdering gays. He just dislikes them. Correct me if I'm wrong.
pk
drink flounce rinse repeat
The list of dancehall stars and rappers who have a problem with homosexuality is endless.
Obviously he is prejudiced, but if I had a choice between targeting him with a simple sugar and fertilizer bomb or Fred Phelps I know who I'd pick.
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/michael_haggerty/expose3.htm
50 Cent last year in a Playboy interview said:
Obviously he is prejudiced, but if I had a choice between targeting him with a simple sugar and fertilizer bomb or Fred Phelps I know who I'd pick.
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/michael_haggerty/expose3.htm
PacificOcean said:
Course you can criticise Beanieman, but I still think it'd be wise to put the attention he receives in context. It easier to demonise a black artist from Jamaica, particularly when New Int and the Daily Mail bandwagon kick into gear. There are just as deserving subjects at home.
Beanieman or not, Jamaica can be a hugely violent place with some backward, macho attitudes. It's not much compensation, but some of the attitudes to others are boneheaded as well - a friend had to cut her trip to her homeland short because she couldn't take the hassle and leering rudeness from the men in Kingston. And she was no shrinking wallflower either.
There's another argument whether the music is influenced by, or mostly helps to influence, Jamaican culture and life, but I suspect that's for another day.
i have to admit i am also absolutely unaware who beanie man is but he certainly has caused a stir in the area on saturday. i wonder how he looks and wether he was caught up in the mini riot. there was one guy who seemed a bit the centre of the attention with long dreads...?
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
I've never heard of him either. I'm guessing this is him?
Thora said:
No, I'm saying we should understand the culture that produces it. To understand something is not to condone it. I've written whole threads about this here, so I won;t go into it in detail again. But I'll also say that the *worst* thing anyone can do is start a campaign against homophobia in dancehall. As has been proved many times, that will only exacerbate the problem. Dancehall artists will then use homophobia as a shibolleth--yes, a veritable *shibolleth*--of opposition to Babylon.
article about the incident:
http://www.ttgapers.com/Article1394.html
http://www.ttgapers.com/Article1394.html
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
Iemanja said:This made it to The Metro today!
Something along the lines of: a mugger picked on the wrong guy in Brixton and ended up with an angry mob running after him...
It was in the Standard last night
