Royal Veteran/Loughborough Park Tavern on Coldharbour Lane/ Moorlands Rd SW9

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  1. Minnie_the_Minx

    Minnie_the_Minx someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox

    More regarding ground rents at Nos. 2 and 3 Zoar Place (in 1855)

     
  2. Minnie_the_Minx

    Minnie_the_Minx someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox

    More on No. 5 Zoar Place (bankruptcy petition?) in 1846

     
  3. Minnie_the_Minx

    Minnie_the_Minx someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox

    and 1864

     
  4. Minnie_the_Minx

    Minnie_the_Minx someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox

    and 1846

    WHEREAS a Petition of John Evans, of No. 2, Zoarplace,
    Cold Harbour-road, Brixton, in the county of
    Surrey, Coffee Shop and Eating Housekeeper, an insolvent
    debtor, having been filed in the Court of Bankruptcy,
    and the interim order for protection from process having
    been given to the said John Evans, under the provisions
    of the Statutes in that case made and provided, the said John
    Evans is hereby required to appear in Court before Edward
    Goulburn, Esq. the Commissioner acting in the matter of
    the said Petition, on the 21st day of November instant, at
    half past eleven in the forenoon precisely, at the Court of
    Bankruptcy, in Basinghall-street, in the city of London,
    for his first examination touching his debts, estate,
    and effects,
     
  5. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    I'm guessing that Zoar Place must have vanished some time around 1870.
     
  6. Minnie_the_Minx

    Minnie_the_Minx someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox

    I know I witter a lot Ed, but if you read my posts, you'd see that I mentioned it was listed in Lambeth's Street Registration in 1871 :mad:

    and it was definitely a public house (as well as other things by the sounds of it). :hmm::D

    That's in 1854
     
  7. Minnie_the_Minx

    Minnie_the_Minx someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox

    1878 - Loughborough Tavern

     
  8. Minnie_the_Minx

    Minnie_the_Minx someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox

    Old Bailey proceedings in June 1869 re: obtaining money by deception

     
  9. Minnie_the_Minx

    Minnie_the_Minx someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox

  10. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    No, but there's an interesting connection with Loughborough and Brixton. Which of course, has been documented on urban:
    http://www.urban75.org/brixton/features/loughborough-and-brixton.html

    (so the pub was probably after the original East Brixton station. There's a feature on that too!)

    Hurray! My hunch was right!
     
  11. Minnie_the_Minx

    Minnie_the_Minx someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox


    Funnily enough, I'd just been looking at the Leicester Historian (page 6 onwards). Quite a good map on there as well of Brixton.

    http://www.le.ac.uk/lahs/downloads/lh2004.pdf


    Yes, your hunch was right, but I got the evidence :p:D

    Shame there's not much on it, but judging by those times, it looks like everyone was in debt and probably couldn't afford to drink - a bit like now then :D
     
  12. Minnie_the_Minx

    Minnie_the_Minx someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox

    Can you please not come up with any mysteries for about 5 days please because it's taking up all my time and I've got things to do. :oops::D
     
  13. chrisscottd1

    chrisscottd1 Well-Known Member

    Loughborough Park Tavern publicans

    Loughborough Park Tavern, 305 & 307 Cold Harbour Lane SW9

    definitley a pub -marked as such on 1870 map
    http://www.urban75.org/brixton/history/geneva-road-brixton.html

    List of publicans from 1878 to 1921, but no pic
    http://deadpubs.co.uk/LondonPubs/Camberwell/LoughboroughParkTavern.shtml
    Year/Publican or other Resident/Relationship to Head and or Occupation/Age/Where Born/Source.
    1878/Edward Dubbins/../../../../Surrey Directory ****
    1881/Edward Dubbins/Licensed Victualler (Manager)/33/St Clements, Middlesex/Census
    1881/Ellen Dubbins/Wife/26/Brixton, Surrey/Census
    1881/Ellen Dubbins/Daughter/3/Brixton, Surrey/Census
    1881/Thomas Lake/Servant (Inn)/17/Marylebone, Middlesex/Census
    1881/Mary Shayler/Servant (Inn)/16/Islington, Middlesex/Census
    1881/Emma Simmonds/Servant (Inn)/23/Lambeth, Surrey/Census
    1881/William Dock/Servant (Inn)/21/London, Middlesex/Census
    1896/William Charles Barber/../../../../Post Office Directory ****
    1901/William Elden/../../../../Post Office Directory ****
    1905/Edward Elden/../../../../Post Office Directory ****
    1908/Edward Elden/../../../../Post Office Directory ****
    1911/Joseph Benjamin Crick/../../../../Post Office Directory ****
    1919/George F T Edwards/../../../../Post Office Directory ****
    1921/George F T Edwards/../../../../Post Office Directory ****


    When I moved in to Barrier (when it was first built) the frame of the sign was still standing at corner of Coldharbour/Moorlands - will see if I can dig out a snap.

    Apart from the photo of sign you have at
    http://www.urban75.org/brixton/history/coldharbour.html

    there are the cellars during demolition.
    http://www.urban75.org/brixton/features/barrier.html

    sign shows in the second and third photos - but you have to know where to look! It is a white pole with a black frame on top - bisects the B of Barkers Corner in second photo (side on so almost invisible), and is to right of two lamp posts in centre of third
     
  14. chrisscottd1

    chrisscottd1 Well-Known Member

    Didn't know it had previously been called Royal Veteran. The RV companies were formed in 1825, largely of veterans of Napoleonic wars, and were used to serve in the penal colonies of New South Wales, Australia, where they were given land grants on discharge. Scheme was not a success and few took up the grants, many returning to this country. Not difficult to speculate that pub was named and run by one such returnee!
     
  15. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

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    lang rabbie and boohoo like this.
  16. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Thanks to that site, I've now managed to find out what almost all the shops on the strip by the pub were. To the right was Blake's bicycle shop, then R E Hobday's off-licence, a closed shop at 313, then a newsagent and another Blake's bike shop.

    To the left of the pub at # 301-303 was Barker Ltd., and then Moorlands Road.
     
  17. Minnie_the_Minx

    Minnie_the_Minx someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox

  18. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    The one you mentioned in the other thread - and the one I linked to above the picture I just posted up!

    I'm well chuffed to be able to be able to visualise a near panorama of the street as t was in the late 60s/early 70s.
     
  19. Minnie_the_Minx

    Minnie_the_Minx someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox

    Oh, your other post is on previous page so missed it. Excellent :D

    Was a grand sized pub as well :cool:
     
  20. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    I'm quite taken back by the size of the thing - for a pub that size it seems strange that so little information is available.
     
  21. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    A closer look reveals that Loughborough Park Tavern was built in 1899. So was the Royal Veteran there before? Or was the pub just rebuilt?
     
  22. Minnie_the_Minx

    Minnie_the_Minx someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox


    argh, don't start that again!

    Going to have to go through this thread again

    eta: Just had a quick look at thread and I found that I posted it was the Royal Veteran in 18?? (forgotten year already - see post no. 66), but no info on whether it was knocked down and rebuilt as the Loughborough at any stage or whether the Loughborough just took over the RV's premises.
     
  23. Minnie_the_Minx

    Minnie_the_Minx someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox

    but then see post no 67 (I think) where I state in 1878 (or was it 1868?)

     
  24. Minnie_the_Minx

    Minnie_the_Minx someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox

    and that was another one listing Loughborough Pub
     
  25. Minnie_the_Minx

    Minnie_the_Minx someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox

    Looked on there for Zoar Place hoping I'd find something but zilch
     
  26. Minnie_the_Minx

    Minnie_the_Minx someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox

    Quick look for Charrington's produced this

     
  27. Minnie_the_Minx

    Minnie_the_Minx someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox

    Not exactly relevant, but interesting story about one of the Charrington's

    http://eastlondonhistory.com/frederick-charrington/
     
  28. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    OK, so the pub is a rebuild, but the original pub could have earlier been rebuilt or renamed.
     
  29. Minnie_the_Minx

    Minnie_the_Minx someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox

    I think it will remain a mystery forever!
     
  30. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

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