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Round up the usual suspects?

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It's grim up north (London)
From an article on The Register today, covering the Association of Chief Police Officers' new guidance document Exceptional Case Procedures for Removal DNA, Fingerprints and PNC Records, which sets out the circumstances in which you may be able to have your details removed from police records.

"Exception cases will by definition be rare," says ACPO, and might well include cases "where the original arrest or sampling was found to be unlawful." Or, if it turns out to be absolutely clear that there wasn't any offence in the first place, that might count. And ACPO gives a specific example:

"For example where a dead body is found in a multi-occupancy dwelling and the cause of death is not immediately obvious. All the occupants are arrested on suspicion of murder pending the outcome of a post mortem. All arrested persons are detained at the local police station and samples taken. It later transpires that the deceased person died of natural causes. No offence therefore exists, and all persons are released from custody."

Find corpse, nick everybody within range just in case? One certainly hopes that's seriously exceptional.

Do what? :eek:

Could they actually do this? How could this scenario be included in official guidance?
 
TAE said:
In this world of Blair's police, I'm quite sure that they could do that.
It's nothing to do with "this world of Blair's police." It has been the practice in cases of unexplained death where any suspicious circumstances exist since the old King died. Only the sample keeping bit is new.

I wouldn't say it's commonplace but it does sometimes happen if people are not forthcoming with true accounts (which therefore will pretty much agree). I have done it myself a few times.

There have to be grounds to provide reasonable suspicion of involvement, but contradictory stories or whahtever may be enough.

The alternative would be to allow everyone to go, to escape the jurisdiction, to destroy evidence, to concoct their stories or whatever, whilst waiting for the body to be recovered, post mortem to be completed, toxicology tests received .... (which may be days or weeks away).

Personally I think it is quite right and proper that arrest on suspicion is permitted for the greater good, but I really do think the keeping of samples taken in cases where it is later found to be there was no crime is mistaken. Either have a national database for everyone, or have a database of convicted persons. This is, effectively, random. I also think society should tell the police that people properly arrested on suspicion and later exonerated should be provided with an ex gratia compensation payment for their trouble. After all they, as an innocent person, have suffered an inconvenience on behalf of laws intended to protect us all.
 
detective-boy said:
There have to be grounds to provide reasonable suspicion of involvement
Well exactly!

Perhaps they took it for granted, but the quote in the original post mentioned no such requirement.
 
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