Rooney not ready to forgive WTF?

[William of Walworth]

Bollocks! Lostexpectation was referring to Rooney and especially the English tabloids and media for stirring it. The o/p specifically points out that the remarks are not addressed to all the English.

That clarification in th first/opening post was edited in later, certainly after I posted first.

Fact is, as the o/p pointed out, Rooney got himself sent off for loss of temper.

Don't disagree there.

For the media and idiots calling themselves football fans, to stir up some kind of vendetta against Portugal players is pathetic. If you can't lose honourably you shouldn't play the game.

I think the tabs are making some sort of effort to stir it up yes, but I honestly also think that MOST fans will be less responsive to this than the populist nespapers seem to imagine.

 

[Groucho]

Don't disagree there.

I think the tabs are making some sort of effort to stir it up yes, but I honestly also think that MOST fans will be less responsive to this than the populist nespapers seem to imagine.

I take your point re the editing of the o/p. It was already edited when I read it and the responses.

 

[bertifrew]

England tabloid newspapers and tv stations this is why the world despises you! this is why we cheer for portugal, it was Rooney that fouled Rodidio! thats what happened

not pointed at all english ^ not at the urban posse neither unless you actually think the above

well said that man.
radio and tv stations have been stoking the (supposed) hatred between the two young guys. some papers even had ronaldo runing away screaming from united. do you all honestly think that alex ferguson is going to let some tabliod rumour mongers dictate to him who should and shouldn't play for HIS team? it was indeed rooney that commited the foul, not ronaldo. Is cristiano the first player ever to ask that ref to send someone off? Do you think that the ref is so stupid as to let a wee boy like ronaldo tell him to send someone off?

 

[Joe Reilly]

I think the tabs are making some sort of effort to stir it up yes, but I honestly also think that MOST fans will be less responsive to this than the populist nespapers seem to imagine.

The Sun referred to Ronaldo as 'a nancy boy'. This is the player, 21, with the balls to take the penalty and knock England out. What does that say about Carragher, Gerrard and Lamps who all bottled it? Intereresting too that it is these 3 who are quoted in the same article expressing their 'disappointment at Ronaldo's behaviour towards a team mate' hopefully deflecting attention from their sorry arses.

Gerrard even suggested Ronaldo should have been booked (thus doing what he has condemned Ronaldo of doing, trying to get a player in trouble) for holding up an imaginary card which happens to be a bang-out lie. Any consideration that as well as getting themselves off the hook, creating problems in the camp of hated rival with the new season three weeks away is of course libellous!

So Ronaldo (and possibly Rooney) join the roll of honour of those targetted by the red tops Cantona, Keane, Beckham, Ferdinand - all at various times targetted by the same bitterly envious and hypocritcal red top journalists.

 

[revol68]

Ronaldo didn't hold up any card, he merely gestured to his injured team mate, something that if Rooney had done after Ronaldo had stomped on Coles balls would have been held up as team loyalty, as club allegiance is put on the back burner.

It's obvious of course that the Portugese knew Rooney could be wound up. For all the wee scouse wanker Gerards whinging, and lying aswell, his inability to give any meaningful support probably pissed off Rooney more than anything Ronaldo done.

As for Gurriers claim that the Portugese played for penalties, bullshit!

They were desperate for a goal, but with England putting 8 shirts behind the ball, and playing deep inside their own third, they were unable to use their normal method of breaking wingers, and with Pauletta off and no real centre forward they were stuck. Hence they put Ronaldo in the middle for 30 mins in the hope his ability in the air might pay off. Their inability to find an opening was obvious by how they spent 20 passes from wing to wing trying to drag out an opening.

Ironically, Englands sending off upset Portugal more than anything else, before that Portugal had been able to create openings, with their fullback Miguel bursting out on the counter and Figo being able to find some space.

Great to see England out though, a bigger bunch of useless fucks I have never seen. Gerard was pure shite, his inability to control the middle of the park was made explicit in the absense of his Liverpool campensino Alonso. Both him and Lampard are unable to dictate the pace of a game, Makele and Essien do that for Chelsea. It will take more than being able to run and blast balls from the edge of the box to win world cup games.

Owen Hargreaves gave a decent two fingers to all the gobshites who wrote him off. Aye, he only plays for Bayern Munich for nothing, it couldn't be that England don't utilise him correctly.

As for Beckham, that eejit should be brought off the bench only for set pieces, like the kickers in American Football, he completely slows England down on the right, and Aaron Lennon showed what can happen when you have a player willing to go at defences, rather than crossing in nothing balls from 45 yards out.

 

[diond]

Ronaldo didn't hold up any card, he merely gestured to his injured team mate, something that if Rooney had done after Ronaldo had stomped on Coles balls would have been held up as team loyalty, as club allegiance is put on the back burner.

It's obvious of course that the Portugese knew Rooney could be wound up. For all the wee scouse wanker Gerards whinging, and lying aswell, his inability to give any meaningful support probably pissed off Rooney more than anything Ronaldo done.

As for Gurriers claim that the Portugese played for penalties, bullshit!

They were desperate for a goal, but with England putting 8 shirts behind the ball, and playing deep inside their own third, they were unable to use their normal method of breaking wingers, and with Pauletta off and no real centre forward they were stuck. Hence they put Ronaldo in the middle for 30 mins in the hope his ability in the air might pay off. Their inability to find an opening was obvious by how they spent 20 passes from wing to wing trying to drag out an opening.

Ironically, Englands sending off upset Portugal more than anything else, before that Portugal had been able to create openings, with their fullback Miguel bursting out on the counter and Figo being able to find some space.

Great to see England out though, a bigger bunch of useless fucks I have never seen. Gerard was pure shite, his inability to control the middle of the park was made explicit in the absense of his Liverpool campensino Alonso. Both him and Lampard are unable to dictate the pace of a game, Makele and Essien do that for Chelsea. It will take more than being able to run and blast balls from the edge of the box to win world cup games.

Owen Hargreaves gave a decent two fingers to all the gobshites who wrote him off. Aye, he only plays for Bayern Munich for nothing, it couldn't be that England don't utilise him correctly.

As for Beckham, that eejit should be brought off the bench only for set pieces, like the kickers in American Football, he completely slows England down on the right, and Aaron Lennon showed what can happen when you have a player willing to go at defences, rather than crossing in nothing balls from 45 yards out.

Bloody hell, at last somebody who posts logical, well constructed football criticism, without resorting to xenophobic insults. Top post.

 

[iROBOT]

But it's easy to hate C. Ronaldo isn't it, coz he's already seen as a huge wanker!

Too right...remember the last Euro finals when he refused to take off his ear rings and put a plaster around his ear lobes in protest?

What a nob...

 

[revol68]

Too right...remember the last Euro finals when he refused to take off his ear rings and put a plaster around his ear lobes in protest?

What a nob...

In real life I'd hate him as a flash wanker, but I love him. Mainly cos he sums up everything the English game hates. He is lambasted as a sissy ie can actually play, and a pretty boy ie he doesn't look like your typical english hound. He is also now the scapegoat for Englands world cup exit.

What's great is that the Tabloids have two perfect targets, a weaselly pseudo intellectual swede, and a latin pretty boy "cheat". Of course Erickson is a clown, but the problem with England lies much deeper, is more engrained in the footballing culture, in which strength is placed over technical ability.
Celebrity narratives and a deranged understanding of Englands international standing. England are an average team. Yes, they have some world class players, but having World Class players and having a world class team is far from the same.

Why can't the English press just accept they aren't up their with France, Germany, Argentina, Brazil or Portugal. At best they are up their with Mexico, and in terms of technical team work they are far below that.

 

[Biffo]

So Wayne has now said he was gobsmacked to be sent off as it was an accident.

That makes him a lying cunt as well as a dirty cheating cunt then.

 

[William of Walworth]

Bloody hell, at last somebody who posts logical, well constructed football criticism, without resorting to xenophobic insults. Top post.

Have to agree ... an ABE who JUSTIFIES his ABEness with knowledge and analysis, rather than kneejerk bile. Agree with nearly all of revol's post.

I meant revol's first, longer post of course

 

[William of Walworth]

The Sun referred to Ronaldo as 'a nancy boy'. This is the player, 21, with the balls to take the penalty and knock England out. What does that say about Carragher, Gerrard and Lamps who all bottled it? Intereresting too that it is these 3 who are quoted in the same article expressing their 'disappointment at Ronaldo's behaviour towards a team mate' hopefully deflecting attention from their sorry arses.

Gerrard even suggested Ronaldo should have been booked (thus doing what he has condemned Ronaldo of doing, trying to get a player in trouble) for holding up an imaginary card which happens to be a bang-out lie. Any consideration that as well as getting themselves off the hook, creating problems in the camp of hated rival with the new season three weeks away is of course libellous!

So Ronaldo (and possibly Rooney) join the roll of honour of those targetted by the red tops Cantona, Keane, Beckham, Ferdinand - all at various times targetted by the same bitterly envious and hypocritcal red top journalists.

Can't disagree with much of this either ...

Most England fans I've talked to, including in our pub, don't go along with the press generated whingeing and scapegoating too much, they accept that all round we weren't good enough and that our pernalty taking was shite.

 

[fishfingerer]

Ronaldo didn't hold up any card, he merely gestured to his injured team mate, something that if Rooney had done after Ronaldo had stomped on Coles balls would have been held up as team loyalty, as club allegiance is put on the back burner.

It's obvious of course that the Portugese knew Rooney could be wound up. For all the wee scouse wanker Gerards whinging, and lying aswell, his inability to give any meaningful support probably pissed off Rooney more than anything Ronaldo done.

As for Gurriers claim that the Portugese played for penalties, bullshit!

They were desperate for a goal, but with England putting 8 shirts behind the ball, and playing deep inside their own third, they were unable to use their normal method of breaking wingers, and with Pauletta off and no real centre forward they were stuck. Hence they put Ronaldo in the middle for 30 mins in the hope his ability in the air might pay off. Their inability to find an opening was obvious by how they spent 20 passes from wing to wing trying to drag out an opening.

Ironically, Englands sending off upset Portugal more than anything else, before that Portugal had been able to create openings, with their fullback Miguel bursting out on the counter and Figo being able to find some space.

Great to see England out though, a bigger bunch of useless fucks I have never seen. Gerard was pure shite, his inability to control the middle of the park was made explicit in the absense of his Liverpool campensino Alonso. Both him and Lampard are unable to dictate the pace of a game, Makele and Essien do that for Chelsea. It will take more than being able to run and blast balls from the edge of the box to win world cup games.

Owen Hargreaves gave a decent two fingers to all the gobshites who wrote him off. Aye, he only plays for Bayern Munich for nothing, it couldn't be that England don't utilise him correctly.

As for Beckham, that eejit should be brought off the bench only for set pieces, like the kickers in American Football, he completely slows England down on the right, and Aaron Lennon showed what can happen when you have a player willing to go at defences, rather than crossing in nothing balls from 45 yards out.

Great post. Come on BBC, give revol68 a job.

 

[Flashman]

Some good points revol68, particulary with regard to Gerrard, who many have not levelled criticism at as he scored two goals. Pretty pathetic WC for him, supposedly one of the best in the world but showed himself up for what he really is; the new John Barnes.

 

[Joe Reilly]

So Wayne has now said he was gobsmacked to be sent off as it was an accident.

That makes him a lying cunt as well as a dirty cheating cunt then.

Your rather confused aren't you? It is Ronaldo that is meant to the 'dirty cheating cunt' not Rooney who is cast as albiet 'petulant' victim. (How the middle classes love that word when speaking of those the believe socially beneath them?)

The hyprocisy is stunning. The fact is the 'loathsome' Ronaldo didn't cheat anyone. He appealed for action to be taken when it looked like there was going to be any. He didn't dive for instance unlike Stevie G against Jamica. Or foul for advantage like his fellow Liverpool player Crouch did against T&G. Ian Wright for one applauded Gerrard.

Meanwhile Rooney denies stamping on Carvalho. There has been no official announcement as the specific reason the red card. All the photos show Rooney's eye on the ball at all times. Many pundits including Martin Jol and Leonardo believe it was simply an accident, but that dosen't stop fat fools like Garth Crooks asking 'if his temprement is up to the game at this level'.

So on reflection perhaps your blunderbuss approach has some resonance afterall.
But what that says about the increasing pathology of English society is of course another matter.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Irrespective of all this...

I will never forgive Rooney for leaving Everton on transfer dead-line day, condemning us (he would have been entitled to think) to relegation, after we only just avoided the drop the season before. I am not, note, criticising in principle his decision to leave us--merely the precise timing, which meant we were unable to replace him for that coming season. To coin a phrase 'once a Blue, always a gobshite'.