Rock N Rolla?

[chico enrico]

But gangs quite clearly make their money out of exploiting the poor.

Crossfires don't come into it, vicious gangland bullying of the working class does.

hey! who do you reckon would win in a fight between the mafia and the yardies?

 

[El Jefe]

For the record, next time sadken bleats about me being all howwid to him, can it be noted that it's him that started banging on about posts from other threads / my attitude towards him etc. Which rather scuppers his claims that it's me that gives him cross-thread shit

 

[rutabowa]

hey! who do you reckon would win in a fight between the mafia and the yardies?

all of them together or 1 on 1?

 

[chico enrico]

pro-Krays.

yes, i like the sound of that.

next time I am asked my political persuasions I shall say:

"against global warming and seal-culling but Pro-Krays"

 

[Sadken]

Well, for me, "professed working class" leanings means "working class". If you meant "working class friendly" or whatever - which, again, for me, is a fucking weird concept or phrase and inherently condescending- then fair enough, Jefe, I apologise and I take my hat off to you and I throw it in the dirt and then I throw myself in the dirt and roll around down there - all dirty - for however long you want me to, whilst singing WHICHEVER Christina Aguilera song you care to mention but - here's a hint - might be fitting to plump for "Dirrty".

 

[Bonfirelight]

Ken has clearly stated that being leftist / class conscious / pro working class is the SAME THING as being working class.

oops

but ken said this..

Don't forget that there's p-oo-lenty of working class people who don't have left wing leanings at all.

 

[chico enrico]

all of them together or 1 on 1?

yes, equal numbers and on neutral territory...Say, the car park over the road from my flat, rather than Sicily or Kingston?

 

[El Jefe]

but ken said this..

yes he did, but that's not all he said.

(see post 57)

 

[El Jefe]

Well, for me, "professed working class" leanings means "working class". If you meant "working class friendly" or whatever - which, again, for me, is a fucking weird concept or phrase and inherently condescending- then fair enough, Jefe, I apologise and I take my hat off to you and I throw it in the dirt and then I throw myself in the dirt and roll around down there - all dirty - for however long you want me to, whilst singing WHICHEVER Christina Aguilera song you care to mention but - here's a hint - might be fitting to plump for "Dirrty".

i accept your gracious apology and promise not to refer to the immense fuckwittedness of your contributions to this thread again.

 

[Griff]

So, who's going to the flicks to see Rock N Rolla then?

 

[Bonfirelight]

god no

 

[Sadken]

yes he did, but that's not all he said.

(see post 57)

No, what I was saying was that "professed working class leanings" is the same thing as saying "working class", for me. I made the original point that plenty of working class people don't consider themselves left wing and would probably get arsey if you said they had to be. Which I reckon you probably would. Cos you're a bit like that.

 

[DotCommunist]

So, who's going to the flicks to see Rock N Rolla then?

If I want my intelligence insulted, I can have it done so for free.

 

[Iam]

I take my hat off to you and I throw it in the dirt and then I throw myself in the dirt and roll around down there - all dirty - for however long you want me to, whilst singing WHICHEVER Christina Aguilera song you care to mention but - here's a hint - might be fitting to plump for "Dirrty".

Cor blimey....

 

[rutabowa]

yes, equal numbers and on neutral territory...Say, the car park over the road from my flat, rather than Sicily or Kingston?

would they have weapons of their own choice or is it fists?

 

[El Jefe]

I made the original point that plenty of working class people don't consider themselves left wing and would probably get arsey if you said they had to be.

Except, ken, that the point you were referring to by me was expressly aimed at Trev, not working class people in general

Are you getting it yet?

 

[El Jefe]

ken - read the thread again from the point where I respond to Trev. It's EVER so easy to follow then

Or at least my bits are. Yours are irrelevant

 

[Idaho]

gutted.

Oh go on then. It's really not that interesting. However it does sort of overlap into the nonsense that Sadken and El Jefe are bickering about.

Gangsters represent independent working class maleness. They have re-appropriated the state's monopoly on coercion. They are either a sort of one man/one familiy revolution - or they are would be aristocrats, using the time-honoured techniques to gain a fiefdom of violence, sharp business practice, co-opting of local police/militia/magistrates (depending on your era).

They are natural working class heroes for this reason, and for the fact that they are a source of employment, access to credit and access to illegal vices. They are, of course, as exploitative as any other business or state enterprise - but you know them, can theoretically reason with them. You are close to a centre of power and decision in the way working class people can never be in a state or political institution. This proximity to a centre of power and decision is why so many fringe left groups exist. As actual political entities they are preposterous - but if they get too large then people get divorced from the leaders and decision makers and don't want to play any more.

 

[Bonfirelight]

i quote liked snatch tbf.

 

[London_Calling]

i quote liked snatch tbf.

Don't we all.

 

[tommers]

Oh go on then. It's really not that interesting. However it does sort of overlap into the nonsense that Sadken and El Jefe are bickering about.

Gangsters represent independent working class maleness. They have re-appropriated the state's monopoly on coercion. They are either a sort of one man/one familiy revolution - or they are would be aristocrats, using the time-honoured techniques to gain a fiefdom of violence, sharp business practice, co-opting of local police/militia/magistrates (depending on your era).

They are natural working class heroes for this reason, and for the fact that they are a source of employment, access to credit and access to illegal vices. They are, of course, as exploitative as any other business or state enterprise - but you know them, can theoretically reason with them. You are close to a centre of power and decision in the way working class people can never be in a state or political institution. This proximity to a centre of power and decision is why so many fringe left groups exist. As actual political entities they are preposterous - but if they get too large then people get divorced from the leaders and decision makers and don't want to play any more.

I was joking.

 

[Idaho]

I was joking.

Yeah well - you still asked for it.

 

[Sabu]

Thought Lock Stock was poo but Snatch was pretty decent. Ain't seen them since I was a teenager mind. I ain't gonna bother with RocknRolla.

 

[N_igma]

I saw Lock Stock as more of a comedy than anything, were we supposed to take that film seriously?

Haven't seen any more of Guy Ritchies films and don't particularly want to see this either.

 

[rutabowa]

I saw Lock Stock as more of a comedy than anything, were we supposed to take that film seriously?

comedies can still be shit

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

there was a couple of funny bits in it. Downloaded for free and it's raining and the girl is watching handball in the other room so no skin of my nose. Plus I sat and watched the whole thing which is quite rare for me and action films.

I thought it was alright and better than that new James Bond which is shit.

 

[Spymaster]

I saw this last night and thoroughly enjoyed it.

Anyone who's seen Lock Stock will recognise the plot and style and even some of the gags are recycled. The shotguns in LS are replaced by a painting in Rocknrolla and all the gangster characters have counterparts, but despite the lack of originality I thought it was a bloody good romp that had me grinning from start to finish.

Slightly annoying that we have to wait for the sequel to find out what happened to Stella and the Russians but all in all, a good laugh I thought.

 

[chazegee]

Awful, none of the magic of his first two. I didn't even realise it was made by Richie when I watched it, and I find it pretty hard to believe it was the same director. He must have been busy watching Madge lick her noodles.

 

[Idaho]

Gangsters represent independent working class maleness. They have re-appropriated the state's monopoly on coercion. They are either a sort of one man/one familiy revolution - or they are would be aristocrats, using the time-honoured techniques to gain a fiefdom of violence, sharp business practice, co-opting of local police/militia/magistrates (depending on your era).

They are natural working class heroes for this reason, and for the fact that they are a source of employment, access to credit and access to illegal vices. They are, of course, as exploitative as any other business or state enterprise - but you know them, can theoretically reason with them. You are close to a centre of power and decision in the way working class people can never be in a state or political institution. This proximity to a centre of power and decision is why so many fringe left groups exist. As actual political entities they are preposterous - but if they get too large then people get divorced from the leaders and decision makers and don't want to play any more.

I forgot how clever I was

 

[chazegee]

I forgot how clever I was

Gangsters extort money out of small local businesses to survive.
Not really working class heroes...
But yes, you are very, very clever.