Robert Fisk: Even I question the 'truth' about 9/11

Discussion in 'Compendium Of Kerrrr-azy Conspiracies' started by Barking_Mad, Aug 25, 2007.

  1. Barking_Mad

    Barking_Mad Non sibi sed omnibus

  2. dylanredefined

    dylanredefined Not a house elf a tiger

    Robert Fisk questioning the truth about 9/11 thats about as shocking as Pete Docherty doing drugs :) .
  3. DrRingDing

    DrRingDing 'anti-human wanker'

    I hope the editor turns up soon to put us right about this fruitloop 'Fisk'. :(
  4. editor

    editor hiraethified

    Sorry, I must have missed his references to holographic planes, invisible people invisibly installing invisible explosives, perfectly faked phone calls and all the other idiotic bullshit that terminally gullible mugs swallow wholesale from moronic sites.
  5. Aldebaran

    Aldebaran TheMadArab.IslamicFascist

    I didn't know about that (hence didn't see that text either).
    But that is indeed truly very very weird. Hardly believable, in fact.

  6. DrRingDing

    DrRingDing 'anti-human wanker'
  7. Bernie Gunther

    Bernie Gunther Fundamentalist Druid

    There is a point there though.

    There are quite a few fishy things about 911 but the conspiracy theorists have in my opinion made the subject toxic with their ravings.

    I'm amazed that Fisk has even mentioned it, because the potential smear by association, e.g. with the likes of prisonplanet, is now and forever going to be used to discredit his all-too-sane journalism about the Middle East.
  8. Donna Ferentes

    Donna Ferentes jubliado

    Harry's Place will be wetting themselves with joy.
  9. editor

    editor hiraethified

  10. DrRingDing

    DrRingDing 'anti-human wanker'

    'Truth seekers' or just Dr Jazzz?

    Time and time again it has been proven that the majority of people here believe the official version of 9/11 doesn't ring true. You know this.

    Any voice of question is stamped on by your dangerous extremism.
  11. disownedspirit

    disownedspirit New Member

    i have a lot of time for fisk, his books on lebanon and the middle east are excellent
    who are these 'Two prominent American professors of mechanical engineering '

    tried google but all i get is the fisk article

    havent really got the patience to go through all the 911 sites looking for it

    but im sure some one will know
  12. editor

    editor hiraethified

    1. You brought up 'fruitloops.' I responded to that definition.
    2. You'll find that many posters have made claims about holographic planes on these boards - you'll find most of their comments residing in the bin. You'll also find no shortage of similar claims on a host of sites elsewhere.
    3. "Dangerous extremism"?!!
    Get a grip, for fuck's sake.

  13. jonH

    jonH New Member

    funnily enough I picked up "The GWofC" again today, I had to lay off it for 4 months due to its depressing effects. Fisk is right as far as I can see, but if he goes on like this he's gonna get bumped. FACT.....
  14. editor

    editor hiraethified

    You mean like all those other truth seekers who have got too close to the truth have been bumped off by The Man?

    Oh, hold on. That hasn't happened at all. FACT.
  15. Bob_the_lost

    Bob_the_lost Elsewhere

    The thing is that so many of his questions have been answered here, let alone in the total extremis of the internet, for an investigative journalist it's rather disappointing.

    The routefinder thing again.
    Answered in the NIST report if you look for it. IIRC

    If he wants answers to his questions then he should look for them rather than assuming none exist.
  16. jonH

    jonH New Member

    And if he's right, what next?

    Send George Bush to the electric chair??

    Let's hope the non conspiracy loons (NCL's) are right
  17. editor

    editor hiraethified

    In the face of zero supporting evidence, have you now abandoned your claim that "he's gonna get bumped. FACT....."?
  18. Aldebaran

    Aldebaran TheMadArab.IslamicFascist

    Yes and yes.
    One can only hope the general public can make the distinction between a man who earned his credentials long ago and arm chair generals defending far-sought nonsense.

  19. jonH

    jonH New Member

    All investigative journalists expose themselves to risks, Fisk has had a couple of close shaves already. I hope he doesn't get bumped, but making claims like this certainly won't make him any less of a target for pro war, right wing extremists.

    the fact bit was wrong, I apoligise
  20. wreckhead

    wreckhead Well-Known Member

    Whilst I think we should all keep a more open mind on a subject as globally significant as 9/11, I'm surprised at Fisk trotting out long-debunked theories like the 93 debris trail and entertaining no-planes (at the Pentagon) and all that implies. He didn't speak of holograms or space beam weapons, but then I honestly doubt that any sane person can seriously consider these theories - it even seems dumb having to say that.

    It is however deeply sad that any discussion on the subject has to be ruined by stubborn hot heads on both sides of the debate who won't accept that they could be wrong. Also Fisk is taking a real professional risk in the manner he's jumped into this subject, given his brief. There's so much crap out there and he seems to have swallowed some of it.

    I'll stick with my position on the subject of "I don't know", but those horrible atrocities of 6 years ago certainly allowed the Bush administration and the PNAC folks who pull the strings to put their pet plans into action. Since the Iraq invasion and the terrible aftermath, it almost seems like the NeoCons have been neutered somewhat, but the "mission" isn't finished in the middle east and I can see 9/11 or a similar attack continuing to be used to justify further slaughter of innocents for the foreseeable... :(
  21. bluestreak

    bluestreak HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica

    agree word for word.

    i've been saying for years that the conspiracy theorists have destroyed all possibility of getting any proper investigation done.

    theres so much dodgy stuff there but so many of the truth movement have made such mental claims that for many people asking questions gets you lumped into that movement.
  22. Stanley Edwards

    Stanley Edwards 1967 Maserati Mistral. R.I.P.

    I thought his views seemed entirely rational. What's the 'crap' he's swallowed?
  23. Bob_the_lost

    Bob_the_lost Elsewhere

  24. Stanley Edwards

    Stanley Edwards 1967 Maserati Mistral. R.I.P.

    But, they are fair and rational questions. He doesn't claim to have the answers. He's merely pointing out that there are valid questions to be answered. I don't have enough interest to go Googling for answers. I'm happy to accept the inspectors (whoever they are) findings.

    The Pentagon thing is a valid question also. Initial reports were of a rocket attack, so it's entirely understandable that people start asking questions when it's reported as a plane crash.

    The collapse of WTC 7 is a bit more suspicious.

    I think he is just making the point that it's very understandable that controversy surrounds the events of 9/11. Then when Karl Rove comes out with "we're an empire now – we create our own reality" it only fuels the suspicions.

    The Third paragraph of the article pretty much shapes how I read the rest:

    He isn't claiming to have answers, simply arguing that it's understandable that there are many questions being asked.
  25. Bob_the_lost

    Bob_the_lost Elsewhere

    He's not. He's asking questions that have already been answered. He's either ignorant of the answers because he hasn't looked for them or he's ignorant because he swallowed the shite on conspiraloon sites that says none exist.

    You say you're happy to accept the inspector's answers, that's fair, so am i when they make sense. But i would not be so cavalier as to assume they haven't done so without checking. He has done exactly that.
  26. Stanley Edwards

    Stanley Edwards 1967 Maserati Mistral. R.I.P.

    But, he hasn't claimed to have the answers. Fucked if I can find anything reliable with a quick Google. He uses terms like "if it is true" not "I believe"...

    There are still some very valid questions that remain unanswered.
  27. Larry O'Hara

    Larry O'Hara Well-Known Member

    Robert Fisk has done enough good work to be allowed the odd lapse/imprecision.

    As has been stated above, the toxic effect of 9/11 cult activities has been to delegitimise trivialise & side-line the important questions that can be asked about 9/11 as with any other event. A good book which asks important questions rationally is James Ridgeway's 'Five Unanswered Questions About 9/11'.

    On a fundamental level, like Michael Moore's apparent wobbling recently, Fisk asking questions that have in some cases already been answered is testament to the pernicious power and influence of the 9/11 cult. Which needs to be opposed.
  28. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    A rather large difference between fisk and loons is that he is simply asking questions (albeit they appear to outdated uninformed questions). He's not filled in the gaps himself with some paranoid madeness as far as i can see.

    (And the obvious corrorally to this is, just because Fisk has done great work in his forgein reporting it doesn't follow that all he writes about every subject is correct or worth bothering with.0
  29. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Also, 'Even I question the 'truth' about 9/11' appears only in the headline and doesn't really follow the content of the article and is just a bit of polemical READ THIS!!! nonsense really.
  30. Bob_the_lost

    Bob_the_lost Elsewhere

    He's claimed they don't exist;

    He then lists things that ARE COVERED in the official narrative.

    He's not making things up, but if he's going to write about it then he has an obligation to do his research. Which he hasn't. Conspiraloon no, an instance of bad journalism yes.

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