River Effra

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  1. Metroman

    Metroman Member

    Anyone else noticed these. This one is on Rattray road. Are there others?


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  2. Rushy

    Rushy AKA some / certain posters

    Yes. Nearby on Dalberg and Dulwich Roads and Effra parade, I think. I think there are something like 30 of them marking the route of the river from Norwood. There's an info sign explaining "Stinky London" (referring to stink pipes set into the course of the river after it was covered over) on the grass between Meath House and the bus stop opposite the lido car park entrance to Brockwell Park.
  3. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    There is a blog about this here diamond geezer
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  4. colacubes

    colacubes Well-Known Member

    Yeah there's one at the bottom of my road in West Norwood.
  5. lang rabbie

    lang rabbie Je ne regrette les gazebos

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  6. friendofdorothy

    friendofdorothy it is so much worse than Thatcherism now

    Noticed last week that theres one by the church in Kennington on Prima Road, and another on Claylands road near Meadow Road.
  7. Rushy

    Rushy AKA some / certain posters

    The Effra flows into the Thames in Vauxhall. There was a great Time Team about it in which they discovered that a post sticking up out of the river bed was not part of a Victorian pontoon as anticipated but amazingly part of an early river crossing about 3,000 years old :eek:. Unfortunately it's not there any more as the archeologists accidentally snapped it off :facepalm:.
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  8. billythefish

    billythefish toad licker

    You can still see some of it at low tide. It's Mesolithic IIRC, possibly the oldest extant structure in London at around 12,000 years old! They're not sure whether it was a crossing or a jetty across the tidal mud flats that would have been there.
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  9. T & P

    T & P |-o-| (-o-) |-o-|

    Meanwhile, here's a highly interesting explore of the Effra as it is today

    GES263 - Effra Combined Sewer Overflow (CSO), London

    An excerpt:

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  10. RubyToogood

    RubyToogood can't remember what goes here

  11. MAD-T-REX

    MAD-T-REX Well-Known Member

    Signal Books | River Effra

    This newish book is pretty comprehensive and a good read. Lots of interesting little facts, such as the name Effra not emerging until the 19th century (when the areas along the route were being sold to upper/middle class sorts, so it needed a name) and it originally joined the Thames at Bermondsey until the local abbey had it rerouted so it wouldn't flood their lands. Herne Hillers may also be interested to know that the river runs under the little alley between the Florence and Commercial.
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  12. Jonti

    Jonti what the dormouse said

    There's one in the market, in Pope's Road ...

  13. phillm

    phillm Trolling through Life (TM)

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  14. agricola

    agricola a genuine importer of owls

    A shame, though it lasted 3,000 years more than the Time Team replacement post did.
  15. friendofdorothy

    friendofdorothy it is so much worse than Thatcherism now

    Why - has that gone already?
  16. goldengraham

    goldengraham Well-Known Member

    Interesting article here about 'daylighting' previously covered urban waterways (not the Effra specifically)
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  17. kittyP

    kittyP schmeeer

    Any one read The Rivers of London books? :)
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  18. Gleena

    Gleena Active Member

    I have, I'm a bit tragic about them (I have the graphic novels, and the novella, too.) I love them. He's got Effra's character spot on.
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  19. lang rabbie

    lang rabbie Je ne regrette les gazebos

    New readers start here:

    Effra above ground
  20. lang rabbie

    lang rabbie Je ne regrette les gazebos

  21. gaijingirl

    gaijingirl Well-Known Member

    yes - recommended to me by Biddlybee - have read most of them.
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  22. lang rabbie

    lang rabbie Je ne regrette les gazebos

    Rising Damp

    "A river can sometimes be diverted but is a very hard thing to lose altogether" -
    (J.G.Head Paper read to the Auctioneers Institute, 1907)

    At our feet they lie low,
    The little fervent underground
    Rivers of London

    Effra, Graveney, Falcon, Quaggy,
    Wandle, Walbrook, Tyburn, Fleet

    Whose names are disfigured,
    Frayed, effaced.

    These are the Magogs that chewed the clay
    To the basin that London nestles in.
    These are the currents that chiselled the city,
    That washed the clothes and turned the mills,
    Where children drank and salmon swam
    And wells were holy.
    They have gone under.

    Boxed, like the magician's assistant.
    Buried alive in earth.
    Forgotten, like the dead.

    They return spectrally after heavy rain,
    Confounding suburban gardens. They infiltrate
    Chronic bronchitis statistics. A silken
    Slur haunts dwellings by shrouded
    Watercourses, and is taken
    For the footing of the dead.

    Being of our world, they will return
    (Westbourne, caged at Sloane Square,
    Will jack from his box)
    Will deluge cellars, detonate manholes,
    Plant effluent on our faces,
    Sink the city.

    Effra, Graveney, Falcon, Quaggy,
    Wandle, Walbrook, Tyburn, Fleet

    It is the other rivers that lie
    Lower, that touch us only in dreams
    That never surface. We feel their tug
    As a dowser's rod bends to the surface below

    Phlegethon, Acheron, Lethe, Styx

    U A Fanthorpe

    From Standing To (Peterloo Poets, 1982)
  23. editor

    editor hiraethified

    I keep meaning to read the book I was sent about the Effra...
  24. catriona

    catriona chickweed

    There's a great 2012 documentary film called Lost Rivers about buried urban waterways being 'daylighted' - a friend of mine appears in it briefly, talking about a stretch of the Quaggy river in Lewisham being liberated.
    Lost Rivers (2012) - IMDb
  25. A380

    A380 How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?

    I saw a picture, in the museum of London I think, of what the landscape of central London would be if there was no London. I.e the underlying topography of the hills and rivers. It was done as if from about 3000’ over about Peckham looking North East. They don’t have it on display anymore. Has anyone ever found one on the Internet.
  26. Puddy_Tat

    Puddy_Tat That's Puddy Tat Esq to you

    The Museum of London Docklands has an exhibition and season of events on London's 'Secret Rivers' - includes a River Effra walk on 17 September. More here.
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  27. Maggot

    Maggot The Cake of Liberty

    It opens this Thursday with a 'liquid late' which looks excellent.

    Secret Rivers: a liquid Late

    Anyone up for coming along?
  28. BusLanes

    BusLanes Pedestrian

    I went along to the exhibition - it was quite good. Worth a look anyway.

    I also finally found out what those tall Victorian green pipes are after waiting for a friend near the Prince Regent by Herne Hill, where it turned out there was an explanatory sign.

    the Victorian "Stink-Pipes" - of old London town - London Shoes
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  29. lang rabbie

    lang rabbie Je ne regrette les gazebos

    I'm rather disappointed that stink pipes are now being "curated" in this way and erroneous folk myths about lost rivers are being destroyed- we have lost the pleasure of overhearing newcomers to Brixton being told tall stories about Queen Elizabeth being punted up the Effra.
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  30. lang rabbie

    lang rabbie Je ne regrette les gazebos

    I also popped into the Docklands museum to see the exhibition recently. Good to see those original Platform Arts posters from 1992 for the Effra Redevelopment Agency again after all this time...
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