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andysays

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What's it to me? Strange question.
I'm disturbed that people don't want to know about child abuse just cos it was perpetrated by someone they admire. Something like thst is everyone's business and not to be yawned at and dismissed
And you can be as disturbed as you like, the idea that people, in general, don't want to know about it because it's someone they admire is nonsense.

Looks like more of your sanctimonious hand wringing at the terrible state of everyone on Urban except you, something else which will come as no surprise to any regular poster.
 

Orang Utan

knows how to use the three shells
blimey, some serious issues here! some people will use any excuse to have a pop at posters they don't like!
 

D'wards

I'm an excellent driver
I do agree there is an interesting discussion to be had about whether people's past dodginess should negate the admiration for the good stuff they did.
Obv a growing movement against Churchill and Ghandi.
But loads of very beloved public figures have done bad things. Just look up Dr Seuss.
 

D'wards

I'm an excellent driver
i like D'wards ! I'm painfully aware of my own failings, so thanks for sticking the boot in. feel good about yourself.
I'm sorry if I've upset you, but I don't know what your failings are. Ive obviously seen your name here but I don't know you.
I largely stay away from the inter politics of u75, and hsve formed opinions or knowledge of very few posters.
I was merely reacting to your attack on me.
 

Orang Utan

knows how to use the three shells
I'm sorry if I've upset you, but I don't know what your failings are. Ive obviously seen your name here but I don't know you.
I largely stay away from the inter politics of u75, and hsve formed opinions or knowledge of very few posters.
I was merely reacting to your attack on me.
i was replying to a toxic poster who doesn't post anything but poison, not you.
i didn't attack you, i just thought it was a bit off to yawn at people pointing out unpalatable truths about Bowie. Don't see why he should get a pass just cos he's Bowie.
 

D'wards

I'm an excellent driver
i was replying to a toxic poster who doesn't post anything but poison, not you.
i didn't attack you, i just thought it was a bit off to yawn at people pointing out unpalatable truths about Bowie. Don't see why he should get a pass just cos he's Bowie.
He's not getting a pass. It's just been covered extensively in this thread, over a couple of years.
It was a Yawn of "here we go again", as I find it tiresome.

Edit: Sorry I see it wasn't aimed at me now i read carefully.
 

andysays

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i was replying to a toxic poster who doesn't post anything but poison, not you.
i didn't attack you, i just thought it was a bit off to yawn at people pointing out unpalatable truths about Bowie. Don't see why he should get a pass just cos he's Bowie.
No one has given him a free pass, or at least you haven't cited anyone who has, so your repeated claims that people don't want to know about it because they admire bowie look like typical OU bullshit to me.

There's nothing 'toxic' about pointing that out, or pointing out that you have a significant history of this nonsense
 

Orang Utan

knows how to use the three shells
it's flabbergasting that someone like you has the stones to criticise other posters the way you do, esp when pointing out what you consider to be a lack of self-awareness. heal thyself, sinner. poundshop pickman's
 

andysays

Defiantly non-premium member
not really. posters who only post about other posters and board politics can take a flying jump off this board please.
I don't accept that's an accurate summary of my total contribution to Urban.

And your recent contribution to this thread is entirely based on you being 'disturbed' about what you mistakenly think other posters think about David Bowie, so you should probably follow your own advice and take a flying jump yourself.
 

D'wards

I'm an excellent driver
Was good that I thought, the documentary.

I like seeing all the Les McQueen type characters from the numerous bands he was in before finding fame. Lots of dodgy old barnets
 

ska invita

back on the other side
I watched the documentary last night ...I thought it was excellent and has really changed my perception of David Bowie. In all honesty up till now I don't really like him or his music very much. I won't dwell on it here, but in short a lot of that feeling is about his ego, i have a bit of an allergic reaction to coke-heads, his voice didn't do it for me, just overall i don't get him. Lou Reed makes perfect sense to me, by some sort of comparison.

This documentary changed all that for me. He's clearly fame driven, and has said as much himself, but its a very unusual fame impulse, as his core instincts are very uncommercial. I was really impressed by the fact that here he was as a young front man at the heart of tin pan alley, surrounded by the key players in the machine, right on the verge on making it in pop, and despite his desire to be famous he was incapable of doing anything crowd pleasing.

After failing in all those bands to come up with a commercial song he carried on, but instead of trying to work out the hit formula he instead embraced his cabaret/theatrical stylings...I love all the shit mime and Feathers stuff - I love that he followed through in that direction despite knowing thats exactly the opposite of what you need to do to get famous.

And those first three albums up to Ziggy really carried on ploughing that path of uncommericiality. My impression is they would've worked as the soundtrack to some kind of fringe musical but I know I dont want to listen to them (though now I'm a little bit more curious).

That he basically spent all those years dying on stage repeatedly and stuck with his unusual theatrical introspective direction has really endeared him to me, on an artistic level. It would seem Space Odditty was a bit of a fluke within that, in the sense that it crossed over. It had great arrangement though to be honest.

And even then he could've ended up a one hit wonder.

It all just left me with the sense of something very pure about him in terms of being a artist, and understanding how that theatricality and avant-guard cabaret and mime thing was at the heart of who he is really helps explain everything that came after.

Also finding out he was deliberately trying to sing like theatre singer Anthony Newley helped me appreciate that part of it too.

*Only one silly bit in the documentary, someone trying to make out that Laughing Gnome had something consciously in common with Waiting For My Man. More embarrassing if its true!
 
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hiraethified
Iggy Pop on Bowie

I learned a lot from him. I first heard the Ramones, Kraftwerk and Tom Waits from him. He also had a certain rigor. If he saw something in another artist he admired, if they didn’t pick up that ball and run with it, he didn’t have any problem saying, “Well, if you’re not going to do it, I will. I’ll do this thing you should have done.” And that was very valid.

David had an important effect on the third Stooges album, Raw Power. We did some sessions at Olympic Studios in London — songs like “Tight Pants,” “I’m Sick of You,” “I Got a Right” — and sent the tapes to David. He came back to me: “You can do better than that.” So we did. We wrote more and came up with more sophisticated work. If we were going to be in his stable, he wanted us to do work of the very best quality.
Iggy Pop Remembers David Bowie: ‘He Appreciated Oddballs’ – Rolling Stone
 

editor

hiraethified
Never heard this before


Sweet Head" is a song written by David Bowie which was recorded live at Trident Studios on 11 November 1971. It took 18 years before it was eventually released and it first appeared on the Rykodisc CD release of Ziggy Stardust in 1990. Its release came as a complete surprise to even the most die-hard Bowie fans and collectors who were totally unaware of the track prior to its issue. Even co-producer Ken Scott had forgotten about its existence and admitted his utter surprise upon its release.[citation needed]

It then appeared on the 30th Anniversary Reissue bonus disc of Ziggy Stardust in 2002 and again in 2012 for the 40th Anniversary (this time with a jokey 30 second studio discussion between Bowie and the band). Though originally written for The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and The Spiders of Mars (the lyrics refer to "brother Ziggy"), it was considered too provocative to be released on the original album by the A&R team at RCA.[1]

The song's lyrics contain references to the then recently released film "A Clockwork Orange" as well as strong innuendo, racist name-calling and directly references oral sex.[2] “It was about oral sex, and it was one I don’t think RCA particularly wanted,” Bowie told Musician in 1990.

Similar in tempo to the other discarded song recorded in the same session (Chuck Berry's "Around and Around"), "Sweet Head" is a powerful rocker with heavy lead guitar riffs supplied by Mick Ronson - Bowie plays his customary twelve string acoustic guitar. There are 5 takes of the song which were all recorded live in the studio - the issued song being Take 4.
 
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