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RIP Chuck Berry.

Discussion in 'music, bands, clubs & festies' started by xsunnysuex, Mar 18, 2017.

  1. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge This is definitely the darkest timeline

    The Beachboys made a career out of just playing a Chuck Berry solo when a solo was required.
     
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  2. hash tag

    hash tag sickness. now light

    Sorry danny la rouge, that slipped my mind for a minute, though not sure you want to be admitting to being inspired by his licks :eek:
     
  3. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank Not at home to Mr Sensible

    The intro to Fun Fun Fun is pretty much a direct lift from Johnny B Goode. The Beach Boys did have a couple of other strings to their bow though tbf.
     
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  4. Ax^

    Ax^ Silly Rabbit

    rip Chuck
     
  5. newbie

    newbie undisambiguated

    cheers for that, I'd just got round to wondering when it was. They all seemed very old and venerable but then put on a great high energy show.

    RIP, thanks for the music.
     
  6. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda 100% echtes Pandabär!!

    Plagiaristic mutha stole his best tune from Marty McFly!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:
     
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  7. 1%er

    1%er Well-Known Member

    There were two court cases about this, during the first trial race became an issue so that conviction was overturned, he was then retried and given a 3 year sentence and a fine. As you mention the child involved was 14, according to his biography "brown eyed handsome man" the trial transcript strongly points to Berry having sex with Janice Escalanti, she said he did but he never admitted it in Court.

    Being one of the fathers of Rock & Roll doesn't excuse these acts. I wonder if Gary Glitter one of the fathers of Glam Rock will be eulogized in this way if he reaches 90 years old.
     
  8. blossie33

    blossie33 trailer trash

    Not exactly in the same league as GG though is it?
     
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  9. maomao

    maomao 四月她爹

    There is quite a lot of talk of him having an extensive collection of porn, including a lot of underage stuff, a lot of it home made. The case was dropped when he settled out of court and admitted a lesser charge of possession of marijuana. That would be on a level with Glitter. I find it hard to link from my phone but there's stuff on Vice and other sites. It's not hard to find.
     
  10. killer b

    killer b Ennui Rollins

    The singer David Mcalmont mentioned that scene in his tribute - it hadn't occurred to me before that it's a bit dodgy attributing genuine innovation by a black man to a time travelling white man, but he's totally right:

    Even Hollywood tried to wrest the Rock n Roll legend from him, by orchestrating "a joke" in Back to the Future (1985). Marty McFly time travels to a place where he plays Johnny B Goode, and Berry's cousin Marvin is present. He phones his cousin, holds up the phone towards where McFly is playing and says "You know that new sound you're looking for? Listen to this!" It was supposed to be funny. It isn't.
     
  11. existentialist

    existentialist Kiss The Girl

    I guess the big difference is that Berry didn't get caught.

    Not to mention the fact that public attitudes towards paedophile sex tourists like Glitter are, for better or worse, somewhat different from those towards artists who opportunistically have sex with 14 year olds.

    I hadn't actually known exactly what the nature of the allegations against Berry were (and, then again, hadn't exactly fallen over myself to find out), but was vaguely aware that there were murky things in his past. And maybe I'm prepared to cut him more slack because his music was far more influential on me than Gary Glitter's was - he always had a "wrong 'un" vibe about him that Chuck Berry didn't have, even if he turns out to have been as much of a wrong' un as Glitter.
     
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  12. Sprocket.

    Sprocket. The Great Unlearning Has Begun.

    This was the song I was going to post earlier, brilliant track, one of his best imo.
    Always reminds me of the film American Graffiti and the weeks following seeing it walking around with our cig packets shoved up our t-shirt sleeves.
     
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  13. stavros

    stavros Well-Known Member

  14. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge This is definitely the darkest timeline

    It can sometimes be hard to separate the artist from the art. It needs to be remembered that what people are praising is the music, the songs, the guitar playing. These were life-affirming, iconic, and influential, in that order.

    These things are all true whatever the character of the man. The historic significance of his music is not altered. It had the effect it had.

    I'm also a fan of Thomas Tallis's music. I know next to nothing about his character. He may have been a terrible person. But his music is wonderful.
     
  15. existentialist

    existentialist Kiss The Girl

    There's always Gesualdo, who murdered his wife and her lover, but wrote the most amazing music :hmm:
     
  16. existentialist

    existentialist Kiss The Girl

    I think every blues solo I did for the first few years was something vaguely lifted from Chuck Berry, too :)

    I've broadened now: I channel Clapton, too. :cool:
     
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  17. cyril_smear

    cyril_smear Well-Known Member

    ffs i was gonna put him on my 2017 celebrity death list but he was pipped to the post by pete doherty
     
  18. mojo pixy

    mojo pixy unquantifiable hazards

    Roll over, Beethoven .. and give Tchaikovsky the news.
    Also, tell Louis Jordan he can have his intro back now...

     
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  19. maomao

    maomao 四月她爹

    I'm certainly not trying to prevent anyone enjoying his music or questioning his influence by mentioning anything about his personal life. On the other hand I think it is the time and place to mention it. He was a great musician and probably also did some pretty nasty stuff too.
     
  20. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge This is definitely the darkest timeline

    Oh, I'm not saying it shouldn't be mentioned. I'm mainly thinking of people on social media who are saying things like "why are you giving Chuck Berry a pass", as if liking his music means you condone his lifestyle.

    (I sometimes wonder how these people engage with music, and whether it is in a completely different way to the way I do. It seems that way).
     
  21. Kaka Tim

    Kaka Tim Ready to Riot

    Probably one of the most important influences on popular music. Pushed electric guitar to the forefront of rock'n'roll. his songs are perfectly crafted stories whilst full of the excitement, flash and energy that set the template for what was to come. This was not the blues anymore. It was something totally new. A great showman - and If there was a noble prize for guitar licks it would be his (although he would probably have to share some of the prize money with sister rosseta tharpe).

    Good point about how his was some of the first de-segregated music.
     
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  22. Wilf

    Wilf 8% Beach Ready

    I think it's pretty clear the 'transporting across a state line' thing (for purposes of prostitution,iirc) did actually involve him having sex with the girl as you say. In fact I heard somebody on tv or radio describe it as fact today. Also, the hidden camera in his cafe's toilets puts him in the category of outright abuser. It really would be wrong to use any other term. Whether that means you can't enjoy his music, I dunno? I'm instinctively a bit 'judgemental' when I hear about a musician or, say, novelist who has done something vile - to the point where I certainly won't buy any more of their stuff and will even struggle to listen/read it. But that really is at an instinctive level and wouldn't judge anyone else, unless of course they were seeking to excuse the noncery due to their artistic merit (which nobody on this thread is doing). It's all complicated - what it was, when it was, whether they showed remorse. I've been critical of JOhn Peel on here - and indeed of those who seemingly wanted to almost present the evidence of the new music he brought as mitigation. But then you'd also have to say that by that those criteria his sexual crimes were 'modest'. But equally, if this were a thread about the sexual abuse of children not many of us would want to put offences into a league table. Again, I'm not criticising anyone on this thread, just playing out my own reactions to Berry.
     
  23. stavros

    stavros Well-Known Member

    "Long as she got a dime, the music will never stop."
     
  24. red & green

    red & green Well-Known Member

    "Campaign shouting like a southern diplomat"
     
  25. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

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