DaveCinzano
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1980, you plank
Rioting spreads - Brussels and Berlin
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1980, you plank
kyser_soze
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Taxamo Welf said:
Surprised you're not scurrying off on the ferry to Paris yourself Tax...
kyser_soze
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kasheem said:You sick individual. What kind of world do you live in? I assume you wouldn't mind having your car burned. I bet you're some middle class yuppie who chooses not to have a car and looks down your nose at working people who need them to get to work.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Can I nominate this for funniest, most ill-informed post of the day?
PLEEEEEEEEZE!!!????
2 cars have been set alight in Munich.
The police are saying it is just “bandwagon jumpers” who have seen France on the telly.
Where did it happen? Neuperlach, an edge of town estate with relatively high unemployment, reliance on benefits and a high ethnic minority population who, it was just proved last week do MUCH worse in the education system and job market.
The largest local employer, a chip factory, is set to close in the aftermath of the most significant and bitter strike in Germany in living memory.
The police are saying it is just “bandwagon jumpers” who have seen France on the telly.
Where did it happen? Neuperlach, an edge of town estate with relatively high unemployment, reliance on benefits and a high ethnic minority population who, it was just proved last week do MUCH worse in the education system and job market.
The largest local employer, a chip factory, is set to close in the aftermath of the most significant and bitter strike in Germany in living memory.
districtline
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the violence hasnt spread to berlin, a few cars burning one evening in isolated moabit doesnt really count as an uprising or a riot. there are always fires in moabit.
it would never ever start in prenzlauer berg, yuppies tend not to riot. kreuzberg (neukölln), wedding and friedrichshain would be more likely. but it wont happen here, things are different here.
it would never ever start in prenzlauer berg, yuppies tend not to riot. kreuzberg (neukölln), wedding and friedrichshain would be more likely. but it wont happen here, things are different here.
DistrictLine, that's the line put out by the establishment, including the fluffy SPD liberals. I thought you were PDS, where's your frigging socialism?
Peripheral estates with high unemployment, reliance on benefits that are NOT generous. Racist hassles from heavy handed police, poor education, poor prospects and the ethnic minorities excluded from mainstream society..........
No Germany has nothing like France at all.........
Peripheral estates with high unemployment, reliance on benefits that are NOT generous. Racist hassles from heavy handed police, poor education, poor prospects and the ethnic minorities excluded from mainstream society..........
No Germany has nothing like France at all.........
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
Isambard said:
Isamba,
What's up with the NPD nowadays?
Apparently they had this to say:-
http://english.eastday.com/eastday/englishedition/world/userobject1ai1630443.html
Jesus! 
I'd like to say they are marginal but of course, they aren't as seen by the electoral results in Saxony. Yes, it was a "protest" vote but still.
It points out the crucial difference that immigrants and their children and their children's children etc in Germany aren't citizens like they generally are in France and Britain and if push comes to shove they can be deported.
I'd like to say they are marginal but of course, they aren't as seen by the electoral results in Saxony. Yes, it was a "protest" vote but still.
It points out the crucial difference that immigrants and their children and their children's children etc in Germany aren't citizens like they generally are in France and Britain and if push comes to shove they can be deported.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
kyser_soze
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What kind of chips are we talking about here?
I have images of both microprocessors and bits of tatties turned into *spit* french fries...
I have images of both microprocessors and bits of tatties turned into *spit* french fries...
Quite possible that the dads of the youngsters who set the cars alight on the huge Neuperlach estate have dads working at the doomed plant.
The big strike was at an Infineon (spin off from Siemens) plant that makes micro-chips. Basicly the company intended to close the factory, everyone knew it and as is not uncommon it was announced in advance with the expectation that the workers kept producing for another year.
But the notice was really to short and the redundancy money offered too low.
Those laid off will get a year’s dole based on their previous contributions but many will end up a year later on the (highly praised by social democrats) Hartz IV dole which is £65 a week for someone single, hardly “generous” as the British media likes to claim.
The workers struck, they had NOTHING to lose.
For the first time in memory there was scabbing. Whether they were put up to it is another issue. There was serious rather than the usual symbolic picketing. The union got taken to court and I think threatened with a EUR 250 000 fine. The police used force to get the scabs into the plant.
I think the ruling class got cold feet a bit and they extended the life of the plant by a year and if I remember trebled their redundancy offer. The strike is over and the plant will work until its planned closure.
But some VERY interesting facts emerged from the dispute:
The ruling class in Germany aren’t “fluffy”. They might not use their law and their police as quickly against workers than in Britain but they will if they see the need to.
The myth that workers in “new” industries won’t struggle is exposed.
The myth put out by the conservative CSU that they have created a “Laptop und Lederhosen” paradise in Bavaria with a booming economy is exposed.
The big strike was at an Infineon (spin off from Siemens) plant that makes micro-chips. Basicly the company intended to close the factory, everyone knew it and as is not uncommon it was announced in advance with the expectation that the workers kept producing for another year.
But the notice was really to short and the redundancy money offered too low.
Those laid off will get a year’s dole based on their previous contributions but many will end up a year later on the (highly praised by social democrats) Hartz IV dole which is £65 a week for someone single, hardly “generous” as the British media likes to claim.
The workers struck, they had NOTHING to lose.
For the first time in memory there was scabbing. Whether they were put up to it is another issue. There was serious rather than the usual symbolic picketing. The union got taken to court and I think threatened with a EUR 250 000 fine. The police used force to get the scabs into the plant.
I think the ruling class got cold feet a bit and they extended the life of the plant by a year and if I remember trebled their redundancy offer. The strike is over and the plant will work until its planned closure.
But some VERY interesting facts emerged from the dispute:
The ruling class in Germany aren’t “fluffy”. They might not use their law and their police as quickly against workers than in Britain but they will if they see the need to.
The myth that workers in “new” industries won’t struggle is exposed.
The myth put out by the conservative CSU that they have created a “Laptop und Lederhosen” paradise in Bavaria with a booming economy is exposed.
Isambard said:
I am not entirely sure how it goes, but I believe that the Pasqua law of 1994(?) (Charles Pasqua being the interior minister at the time, with a certain reputation....) made it more difficult for children of immigrants in France to become french citizens. I should really check out the details.
afaik, it was half a dozen relatively senior engineers who were scabbing. Perhaps they weren't in such a desperate position, perhaps s they were put up to it?
I think the ruling class were keen to flex their muscles through the courts and police but they did back down fairly quickly and trebled the redundancy.
I think the ruling class were keen to flex their muscles through the courts and police but they did back down fairly quickly and trebled the redundancy.
districtline
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Isambard said:
i deliberately used the term "things are different in germany"
because they are. there are estates in the east berlin "suburbs", but there are hardly any "immigrants" living there. unemployed very white germans on benefits yes, but i dare you to find any turks in lichtenberg. the older ones in these suburbs vote pds, the younger ones either pds or go nazi sub culture. the race issue isnt valid in these places.
the exclusion from mainstream society, poor education and poor prospects isnt a race issue, but a class issue. is something going to happen in the end if we continue down this way? yes, but i'm not so sure that it'll look like in paris with isolated riots by disengaged youths.
Berlin is a bit different becasue of the large almost exclusively white estates, Marzhahn and the like.
There's a lot of big peripheral estates like the the French Banlieu around the western big cities too.
Of course it is a class issue but the police and society's racism plays a big role too for the 30% (?) populations of these estates that are not German.
There's a lot of big peripheral estates like the the French Banlieu around the western big cities too.
Of course it is a class issue but the police and society's racism plays a big role too for the 30% (?) populations of these estates that are not German.
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