Rioting at Campsfield concentration camp

[denniseagle]

And also to cliam asylum from persucution is a fundemental right enshrined in the UN declaration of human rights (1948?) - to which britian is a signatory . Therefore there is no such thing as an 'illegal' ayslum seeker.

The refugess who turn up in britain are the ones who have scraped the means together to get here - selfishly and evilly choosing not to sit indifeinitely in the chaming disease ridden, filthy, ill supplied and overcrowded refugee camps in their neighbouring countries.

What pisses me off about the like of denniseagle - apart form his attmepts to assoiciate refugees with rape, child abuse and bad driving - is the lengths he will go to in order to avoid giving the a shit for the most vunerable and shat upon group of people in the country.

Lock em up- send em home. etc etc.

Tis the mantra of the bona fide willfully ignorant cunt.

Where have I stated that I don't give a shit for GENUINE refugees?

Please be specific when you reply.


I have questioned how genuine are those who claim asylum and whose claims are rejected .
I questioned the reasoning behind the statements that anyone who is claiming asylum shouldn't be held in secure accomodation whilst their 'claim' is being processed.
I gave emotive (I admit) examples of possible dangers to such a course of action.
No one has yet been able to furnish me with any guarantees that such people are not to be found amongst those who are claiming asylum.

The UN convention on Human rights does not I believe give the right to remain in a country that has rejected any claim for asylum.

I also gave a personal example concerning someone who had no right to be in this country.
.
Someone who had entered illegally.
Admitted in court
Someone who, when the authorities did catch up with him, gave false information about himself.
Admitted in court
Someone who only when found out, claimed asylum.
Admitted in court
Someone whose claim was rejected.
Admitted in court
Someone who should have been deported but wasn't .
Someone who broke one final law which resulted in the death of an ex- neighbour of mine.
Someone convicted and sentenced under the laws of Great Britain.
And guess what .........

Rather than say it , the insinuation was posted that I was lying.

Then when I gave some more details, easily verifyable, the next attempt to dismiss my opinions was to label me a racist.
The usual tactic of someone who can't win an argument through reasoned debate.

Noticed no one has come back to me when I asked if anyone knew what my skin colour was...............................................

Now the final tactic of those who don't have the wherewithall to argue reasonably and coherantly,

I'm called a cunt.

Well done that man.

Perhaps if you took of your blinkers you might just see the real harm that is being done to genuine refugees by those who come her under false pretences.

 

[Kaka Tim]

Where have I stated that I don't give a shit for GENUINE refugees?

Please be specific when you reply.


I have questioned how genuine are those who claim asylum and whose claims are rejected .


Rather than say it , the insinuation was posted that I was lying.

Then when I gave some more details, easily verifyable, the next attempt to dismiss my opinions was to label me a racist.
The usual tactic of someone who can't win an argument through reasoned debate.

Noticed no one has come back to me when I asked if anyone knew what my skin colour was...............................................

...the real harm that is being done to genuine refugees by those who come her under false pretences.

I haven't called you a racist (although Xenophobia and a bigotry clearly loom large). And i cant see how your skin colour in any way precledues the possibility of racism.

a 'failed asylum seeker' is not 'bogus' they are not 'illegal' and they are not cheats. They are people who have been unable to prove their status as refugees to the authorities - and the it is becoming incrasingly difficult to do so because of the hysteria and fear being whipped up about refugees by the large sections of the media and people such as yourself.

And the real harm done to refugees is the hatred, intolerance, biggotry, racism and persecution vistied on them on a daily basis by the media, by immigration officials, by their housing providers, by the goons at the camps and by selfrightous, wilfully ignorant , intolerant arseholes who runa round frothing at the mouth about how the country's being 'swamped' by scrounging, criminal hoards of 'bogus asylum seekers'.

And - FYI - many people who cliam asylum are not put into the camps. Some of them are housed in the community. Allowed to (sort of) freely walk the streets like genunie human beings! Near schools! Maybe next door to you!

To arms denniseagle - grab your fucking pitchfork!

 

[Pigeon]

I have questioned how genuine are those who claim asylum and whose claims are rejected .

Thereby demonstrating that you know slightly less than fuck all about the way the asylum system in this country works against the interests of the "genuine refugees" you pay lip service to.

 

[likesfish]

the whole asylum process is a mess people appeal not just because they have (dodgy lawyers on legal aid theres undoubtedly some of thatgoing but the system is a mess )
but because the original decision is often very very wrong.
now a sensible approach would be sit down come up with a plan probably include dealing with a politically unpopular amnesty just to clear the back log

 

[Pigeon]

Look at the lenghts some of these bogus people trying to cheat our asylum system will got to!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/6468103.stm

 

[Pigeon]

And another one!

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article2383904.ece

 

[urbanrevolt]

The treatment of migrants in this country is a disgrace. They are scapegoated in the media, have benefits taken away if they are deemed to be 'failed', are evicted and not allowed to work and can be liable for detention and deportation at any moment.

The system to distinguish so-called genuine refugees is extremely flawed because they ask for impossible standards of evidence and the country reports used are often highly inaccurate and the asylum determinations often extremely shoddy and contradictory. For example check out Asylum Aid's work on this, in particular their report from the mid nineties "Adding Insult to Injury."

There are many cases of people who commit suicide rather than be returned- in other cases documented evidence of people being killed on return. In many other cases people are heard from ever again by family members.

In many cases yes there are also people who move for economic reasons. Why not? Most of us would if we could. Why should some people be privileged merely as an accident of birth and others treated as a different species? It's racist and I'm not surprised people resist by any means necessary being treated as subhuman animals.

Finally, we have to think why are the government doing this at a time of economic prosperity when capitalism needs immigrants- it's not about controlling numbers so much as terrorising a section of the population, taking away their status, forcing people into illegal and dangerous work, undercutting both trade union negotiated pay and conditions and legal minimums and an attempt- largely successful so far- to divide the working class.

Some on these boards (and of course beyond them) seem to fall for this attempt to divide and rule.

What we need is a massive community and trade union defence of migrants both against the appalling human rights abuses, arbitrary detention without trial, mass deportation, withdrawal of benefits and the right to work and for the unions to organise all workers irrespective of immigration status so that the ruling class can no longer play off one section against another.