cybertect
It's grim up north (London)
I relate to what you're saying, but TBF, they only ask you to do it once per text (sure I've seen worse).
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RIM (Blackberry) the "fastest growing company in the world"
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I relate to what you're saying, but TBF, they only ask you to do it once per text (sure I've seen worse).
FridgeMagnet
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That doesn't apply outside the US, in general.
FridgeMagnet
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...in fact, I'm not even sure there's any requirement for anyone else to use an (R) or (TM) at all, no matter where they are - the company itself using the symbols indicates that phrases are registered or unregistered trademarks, but I can't see how anyone else needs to.
cybertect
It's grim up north (London)
The way trademarks work, they have to work at keeping them or lose them.
If they didn't ask you to add the symbols, it would diminish the mark and make it less defensible in court (and reduce damages) should they need to take legal action.
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
My Blackberry (as a noun) was provided to me by work. I'm sure that they went for them because they sync properly with our email system -- the "enterprise space" mentioned previously. I doubt that iphones were even in consideration. Also, I chose my model of Blackberry precisely because I *don't* want a touchscreen phone. I want a keyboard.
FridgeMagnet
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Only if you are actually challenging the trademarks though - just using the term doesn't diminish the mark intrinsically. I've seen a lot of companies try to insist that people add TMs and/or have a disclaimer, "SnotBastard is a registered trademark of the SnotBastard Corporation and no infringing use is implied" etc, but in this country you can tell them to whistle and I'm not even sure that there's any need to in the States, again, if you're not making infringing use.
FridgeMagnet
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I still don't think it is the case that any great number of consumers buy Blackberries because they can't afford iPhones. There are certainly iPhone-a-likes out there, but Blackberries don't even look or behave much like iPhones (the Storm tried to and it was cock) and they're not cheap either. They're cheaper than iPhones, but everything's cheaper than iPhones.
I imagine for a consumer that the price might factor in as part of the whole calculation, but I can see that some people would rate other features as superior to the iPhone as well.
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hiraethified
I'm not even sure if the Blackberry Bold is cheaper than the iPhone if you compare like for like 24 month contracts.
http://shop.o2.co.uk/update/paymonth.html
http://shop.vodafone.co.uk/shop/cat...itialFilters=flt_paymonthly&_requestid=312586
Either way, it's a ridiculous argument to suggest any significant amount of people are buying Blackberry's as some sort of reluctant cheaper choice to their preferred iPhones. As you say, there's loads of much cheaper iPhone-like handsets, but the Blackberry looks nothing like an iPhone.
FridgeMagnet
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True actually - you pay a bit more up front for the 3GS, but not a vast amount.
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hiraethified
Here's the latest smartphone market shares, if anyone's interested:
http://www.canalys.com/pr/2009/r2009081.htm
http://www.canalys.com/pr/2009/r2009081.htm
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
It's incredible how far Apple has come in this market in such a short space of time. They're about a third of Nokia's market share!
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Interesting that they don't appear to have reduced Nokia or RIM's share though.
I'd guess that a large proportion of iPhone users are people who wouldn't previously have considered getting a "smartphone". So the market has expanded but most of that expansion is attributable to iPhone sales.
I'd guess that a large proportion of iPhone users are people who wouldn't previously have considered getting a "smartphone". So the market has expanded but most of that expansion is attributable to iPhone sales.
We always had major issues with build quality of Blackberrys, I'd say 30% of the phones were dead within 6 months of enterprise use and some users having 4+ more handsets in a year.
We chose blackberrys over iPhones because at the time o2 would not have iPhones on business contracts and syncing with exhange was a no-no at that time. Once we'd chosen a platform there was no reason to change. the business grew and we bought more blackberrys. Once a company chooses a platform, unless there's a massive reason to go in a different direction they won't change. Being first to dominate the push email market means they're now reaping the benefits. Businesses won't generally choose a push email platform purely on handset.
We chose blackberrys over iPhones because at the time o2 would not have iPhones on business contracts and syncing with exhange was a no-no at that time. Once we'd chosen a platform there was no reason to change. the business grew and we bought more blackberrys. Once a company chooses a platform, unless there's a massive reason to go in a different direction they won't change. Being first to dominate the push email market means they're now reaping the benefits. Businesses won't generally choose a push email platform purely on handset.
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hiraethified
The Blackberry Storm 2 looks a whole load better than the first version in this (annoying) video comparison:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpHMcQavUAQ&feature=player_embedded
"thats your mind being blown away, baby!"
Er... no. It certainly seems hugely improved, but I still don't fancy the thing.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpHMcQavUAQ&feature=player_embedded
"thats your mind being blown away, baby!"
Er... no. It certainly seems hugely improved, but I still don't fancy the thing.
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hiraethified
I remain wary of virtual keyboards, but this video shows some amazing wpm speeds being knocked out on the Storm 2. The auto correction/predictive text looks very good indeed.
http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/lightning_speed_typing_on_the_blackberry_storm_2.php
http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/lightning_speed_typing_on_the_blackberry_storm_2.php
Looks about the same speed as me with my iPhone.
Though I'm not sure why they would put two letters per "key"...I'm expecting lots of marketing hype for the new Storm since the last one had so many problems on first release... (I thought it was an interesting concept, though...)
pinkmonkey
2.4 hour party person
I don't want a Storm - I type alot of emails so I want a keyboard. That's why I've got a Blackberry. Blackberry for emails AFAIK.
Looks about the same speed as me with my iPhone.
The obvious reason is that it enables there to be fewer keys and so bigger ones to use with your thumbs.
The predictive text idea is likely to work a lot better with just the 2 letters as compared to the 3 and 4 letters on a normal phone.
The only disadvantage is that you have to be able to spell to use predictive text. I know someone dyslexic who finds it unusable. I trust that the American business men who have made the Blackberry so popular, can spell, in their quaint American style.
Its going to mean its a big phone if those are thumbs...! Does it have multi-touch...?
g force
Affects Shatner's Basoon
I find the APAC thing fascinating...how really Nokia pushed hard to dislodge the other players and are now under threat themselves. Also how Apple and RIM have relatively very little penetration there - I believe that "other" is split into about 5 people including LG, Samsung and HTC.
Very little penetration into what though? Canalys are extremely opaque as to what qualifies for their numbers.
I suspect their definition of smartphone basically includes anything with Symbian on it, which is why Nokia will show so strongly.
If that is true, and you removed the Symbian devices that don't have any QWERTY input (i.e. most of them), then the market shares would be very different.
Idaho
continuity character
everyone on this thread / forum sounds a bit obsessed tbh. You all sound like one huge robotic Thomas Friedman sometimes, getting all spunked up about gadgets and deluded into thinking they're harbingers of a glitzy and flat new world.
Have a night off
Lulz...
I love these phone threads. The usual suspects decend on it and immediately get involved in a scrap about iphones while denying that any of them are obsessed by them.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
For sure. I've said for years that many people who buy them will be looking at features like the camera and mp3 player before the ability to get email/browse the web.
A qwerty keyboard does not make a smartphone.
I think you're in similar territory to Canalys - i.e. the majority of Nokias are 'smartphones'.
Here's one of their biggest sellers, and it can do all the things you describe:
Idaho
continuity character
I think you're in similar territory to Canalys - i.e. the majority of Nokias are 'smartphones'.
Here's one of their biggest sellers, and it can do all the things you describe:
Used to have one of those. Great phone. I've got the 6303 now which is basically the same but jazzed up a bit.
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