right to public racism rally

[lostexpectation]

well

what printing support letters from UKIP, (I wonder if they are doing that with a touch of sarcasm), i think the title of this thread is perfect.

 

[smokedout]

they are very critical of groups like Christian Voice wanting to prevent the Jerry Spring Opera.

and there lies the double standard, christian youth have every right to protest against banning the js opera and saying they want it banned, fact is it wasnt

it is after all a free country (just, well in comparison)

 

[TAE]

You've lost me, where is the double standard?


The organisers are saying that threatning people into silence is wrong, be it christians or muslims or whoever.

Did anyone ban the peaceful protests against the cartoons?

 

[smokedout]

no, my point exactly, which i why i said what you rebelling against johnny ... err nothing

 

[TAE]

What?

 

[TAE]

what printing support letters from UKIP, (I wonder if they are doing that with a touch of sarcasm), i think the title of this thread is perfect.

So if UKIP supported the anti-war demos you'd be against those too?
How about if 20 left-leaning and 10 right-leaning groups supported this demo, would that be ok?

 

[smokedout]

sorry, i posted a link earlier, forget i hadnt posted the full thing, was what i wrote about it earlier

Right to public racism march shames the left this Saturday

if you cant be bothered i just made the point that they dont seems to have any kind of coherent message, as i said earlier whats the point of this if its not just muslim baiting

Not seeming to have thought out what why they are actually marching they are only now asking their supporters for some ideas as to what their actual demands are.

"We have asked for suggestions about what concrete proposals we might campaign for in the aftermath of the rally on Saturday. The repeal of the blasphemy laws has been suggested several times. "

err, Ok that'll do, what else ya rebelling against Johnny

err ... nothing.

 

[TAE]

Yes I know that this guy is ranting and raving against this demo and trying to present it in the worst light possible, what I'm not quite clear on is why.

EDIT:
Oh, its you!


The message is fairly simple, as I understand it:
Stand up against people who would try to intimidate you, don't let them stop you from expressing your views. Ironically, that includes standing up for the right to protest against the cartoons without being intimidated, but I don't see that as a contradiction.

 

[lostexpectation]

maybe

So if UKIP supported the anti-war demos you'd be against those too?
How about if 20 left-leaning and 10 right-leaning groups supported this demo, would that be ok?

But I'd wonder about the reason they were doing it? And I wouldn't put their names on a site I owned. ( without comment)

 

[smokedout]

This Monday poor old voltaire, the webmaster/chief blogger of the March for Freedom of Expression gushingly informed us

Danish Rally

There will be a sister rally in Copenhagen City Square on the 25th March between 2:00pm and 4:00pm. One of the organisers, Harry Vinter, mailed us to say:

We are going to have a big banner with the text "FREE EXPRESSION" and smaller signs with your poster concerning the rally at Trafalger Square - to show that the rally is part of an international campaign.
adding

Thank you for this initiative, Harry. London, Berlin and Copenhagen will stand together on the 25th.

voltaire has been forced to post today

It has been brought to our attention that the organisers of the Copenhagen rally are members of an organisation that recommends the mass deportation of Muslims from Europe.

We therefore disassociate ourselves from this group and state for the record that we completely and unreservedly oppose any such policy.

... made me chuckle

 

[TAE]

Good to see that they continue to distance themselves from such extreme right-wing groups.

 

[Ryoma]

The whole Left Right thing is becoming very blurred. How would you describe a Muslim guy carrying a banner saying, "Destroy the West - Down with the Jews" (not totally improbable)? Is he Left or Right? Nick Cohen uses the term Islamo Fascist a lot so I guess he sees radical Islam as the main threat to people like himself.

 

[Azrael]

Nor am I. Few, if any, people are. Absolute freedom of expression is not a liberal idea. It's a nutty extremist slogan. (At least that's what it sounds like. Off hand, I can't think of anyone who uses it.) I am, for example, against people soliciting murder.

Freedom of expression is by its very nature absolute; there's no such thing as limited freedom of expression. You either support the freedom of people to say whatever the bally well like, or you don't. Inciting murder is no more freedom of expression than ordering some soldiers to commit a massacre is because by using or attempting to use your words to bring about a violent action, it ceases to be a matter of speech and becomes one of action.

The moment you ban an opinion for its offence is the moment free expression is done with.