Richard Littlejohn - The War on Britains Jews?

[ViolentPanda]

I think it will be mainly lefty bashing. But he has got a point though.

Which point?

 

[ViolentPanda]

He has a point about antisemitism IMO. There've been some awful incidents of late. Only a couple of years ago the local BNP smashed up the jewish cemetery in Hull and daubed swastikas all over the wreckage. Tbh, there've also been some nasty antisemitic incidents involving more militant Muslims as well.

Unfortunately, I don't trust Littlejohn to produce anything approaching a balanced analysis. It'll probably be an exercise in Muslim-bashing, and an attempt to conflate any criticism of Israel's actions with htred of Jews per se.

I'd watch it if I were at home, but I'm not and I've no access to a TV. Which is probably as well since Littlepenis is bad for my blood pressure!

What's the betting he trots out the usual "anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism" line beloved of the pro-Zionist right?

 

[Groucho]

....an excuse for bashing the left and mohammedans with all sorts of spurious nonsense ....

However it wasn't that long ago that many on the left were marching alonside islamic extremists who were chanting "Kill all the jews" without blinking an eye - indeed the Socialist Worker's Party has physically defended the "right" of Palestinian militants to be homophobic and anti jewish in the recent past.

Not to mention the SWP's courting of Gilad Atzmon a Jewish holocaust denier.

....

Well Littlejohn would be proud of you!

Gilad Atzmon is not a holocaust denier. The SWP have never tolerated slogans such as the ones you have quoted nor have we defended homophobia or being anti-Jewish.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Not to mention the SWP's courting of Gilad Atzmon a Jewish holocaust denier.

The mad sax-man will sell his soul to anyone who'll listen to his dreck and buy him a beer. The Swappies are welcome to the daft cunt.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Well Littlejohn would be proud of you!

Gilad Atzmon is not a holocaust denier. The SWP have never tolerated slogans such as the ones you have quoted nor have we defended homophobia or being anti-Jewish.

Atzmon is a soapy conspiracy theory-loving nutter, though.

 

[Groucho]

Atzmon is a soapy conspiracy theory-loving nutter, though.

Atzmon's ideas might be a bit off the wall. The SWP 'courting' of him amounts largely to his playing sax at social events.

 

[London_Calling]

It's a Max Clifford style makeover isn't it, Moderate Man defending Minorities. Meh.

 

[biff curtains]

The SWP have never tolerated slogans such as the ones you have quoted nor have we defended homophobia or being anti-Jewish.

I was on the marches. I remember the attacks on Peter Tatchell.

There's also the issue of the SWP having a stall five meters from a bunch of Islamic holocaust deniers and doing fuck all about it.

 

[bluestreak]

It's a Max Clifford style makeover isn't it, Moderate Man defending Minorities. Meh.

heh. troof. but that's only the minorities that know their place.

 

[fjydj]

...nice to see a programme damned so thoroughly before its even been aired, anyone see the press preview copies or something.

Its on air now.

 

[rghthrerightnow]

Someone was supposedly on this from IJV but on their website they say the following about the programme:

"Independent Jewish Voices were asked to provide a spokesperson for this programme and declined. If you were looking for somebody impartial or reasonable to speak on this subject, Mr Littlejohn would not be your first choice.

He has previously been quoted: “The Palestinians are the pikeys of the Middle East. If they must have a homeland, give them part of Saudi Arabia, because the Egyptians, the Syrians, the Jordanians and the Lebanese don’t want them either... No more hand-wringing. It’s time for neck-wringing”. "

 

[Roadkill]

What's the betting he trots out the usual "anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism" line beloved of the pro-Zionist right?

A man who bets against a certainty is a fool...

 

[JoePolitix]

Someone was supposedly on this from IJV but on their website they say the following about the programme

That was the infamous Tony Greenstein. He's a member of Jews against Zionism.

IJV were quite right to tell Littlecock to go fuck himself.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Don't suppose anybody watched this, did they?

I would have, except for the fact that I wouldn't have.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Don't suppose anybody watched this, did they?

I would have, except for the fact that I wouldn't have.

I've recorded it but I'll watch it tomorrow.

Had too much else to do last night.

 

[zoltan]

What's the betting he trots out the usual "anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism" line beloved of the pro-Zionist right?

It would seem so, yes

 

[jusali]

I watched it!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Atzmon's ideas might be a bit off the wall. The SWP 'courting' of him amounts largely to his playing sax at social events.

That's alright then. I'm in favour of anyone who tortures Swappies.

 

[ViolentPanda]

...nice to see a programme damned so thoroughly before its even been aired, anyone see the press preview copies or something.

Its on air now.

Tut tut.

I don't see much damning, just a lot of speculation on which line Littlejohn would take, and the usual forthright character assessments of the man.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Don't suppose anybody watched this, did they?

I would have, except for the fact that I wouldn't have.

I saw it intermittently.

Intermittently being the operative word because he mostly proferred exactly the cant people predicted he would, and I had to keep flipping channels to avoid getting too annoyed.

 

[Belushi]

I saw it, it was pretty much as predicted on this thread, left drifting into anti-semitism etc.

Nick Cohen made an appearance.

 

[rekil]

I read his Mail article. They didn't publish my comment.

 

[Edie]

Littlejohn is obviously a cunt, no question about it.

But I watched the program, and he has a point. It is becoming increasingly politically allowable, if not correct, in the left to hate Isreal and by extension Jews. Including British Jews.

The image that stuck in my head? Those socialist worker banners that are all the same and given out at random to really, really stupid people at demos. These one's read: We are all Hizbullah now. There were loads of white, lefty wankers holding these banners.

How stupid would you have to be, and what message does that send to British Jews?

 

[butchersapron]

'Allowable' 'correct'? Is it? really?

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Littlejohn is obviously a cunt, no question about it.

But I watched the program, and he has a point. It is becoming increasingly politically allowable, if not correct, in the left to hate Isreal and by extension Jews. Including British Jews.

The image that stuck in my head? Those socialist worker banners that are all the same and given out at random to really, really stupid people at demos. These one's read: We are all Hizbullah now. There were loads of white, lefty wankers holding these banners.

How stupid would you have to be, and what message does that send to British Jews?

I agree with your assesment of Littlejohn. I'm not going to comment on the content of the programme until I have actually watched it but the 'we are all Hizbullah' bollocks (and I believe that contrary to swappie assertions it wasn't just one or two tossers it was a block of 100+ people) sends a threatening message to Anglo Jewry that the Left are antisemitic. The association by the swappies with extremist Islamic opinion is making this situation worse. The great shame is the Jewish community was at the forefront of left activism for years and now it finds itself betrayed by the left of the 21st century (thats if the left can be considered part of 21st cent politics and not just a bunch of loons wanking over failed 19th century theorems).

The activities of the trot left and the swaps in particular damage the very necessary movements for social justice that are based in both secular socialism (whats left of it) and those whose calling for justice have a religious basis.

I know it has been said that the swaps are an insignificant part of uk politics but when they associate with one group who want to kill another group then they become a great danger.

 

[zoltan]

I think most people can distinguish between Israel & Jews - the naive Swappies may have allowed themsleves to be willingly joined on the bandwagon by rubbish shouty islamist groups is true - but they always were bandwagon jumpers.

I despise the catholic church, but dont set about Italians when Im out and about.

It was refreshing to see how Littlejohn simplified the situation to "Daily star" level for the viewer.

It was an interesting Juxtapositon of Job Snows Famous wars programme on the other channel after Littlejohn had finished his essay - If anyone didnt see it , it was about The Isreal/Egypt conflict and gave , surprisingly as it wasnt the aim of the programme, a much better account of the relationship between Isreal & its neighbours than Littlejons prog did.

I can cope with ( Enjoy !? ) jeremy Clarksons laughable Baiting of all & sundry, But do find Littlejohn a bit of a nasty cunt.

 

[London_Calling]

I watched it!

Isn't that fantastic !

 

[Joon]

The image that stuck in my head? Those socialist worker banners that are all the same and given out at random to really, really stupid people at demos. These one's read: We are all Hizbullah now. There were loads of white, lefty wankers holding these banners.

How stupid would you have to be, and what message does that send to British Jews?

They weren't Socialist Worker banners, they were British Muslim Initiative banners.

But let's not let the facts get the way.

 

[Andy the Don]

I watched as well...

Started off by explaining anti-semitism in the pre-WWI period. How the Russian secret police of the Tsar invented the Protocols of The Elders of Zion to discredit the Bolsheviks. Then went onto the threat from teh far right. Then the threat from radical Islam, worryingly showing a copy of Mien Kampf which he brought at a newsagent off the Edgware Road. What I found disturbing was when he interviewed an eighteen year old Jewish student who had realised that Britain was not a safe place for Jewish citizens & that they should emigrate (did not mention where to but would imagine Israel).

The recent parliamentary report into anti-semetism was the basis of the programme which stated that anti-semitism is now worse than since WWII.

 

[London_Calling]

I'm always interested to know which companies advertise at half-time in these pitiful affairs, anyone notice?

Was it bog roll, maybe ?