Rhodes Must fall Oxford leader, ‘We will give tip when you return the land’

[brogdale]

I literally don't care in the slightest what he says on Facebook. Maybe he's a massive dick; maybe he's been misrepresented; I don't care. Please explain why I should care.

Worse still; the manufactured outrage of Bullingdon boys at the idea of a hospitality trade worker being driven to tears by discourteous customer behaviour.

 

[RubyBlue]

But what are your thoughts on Cecil Rhodes, treelover? You haven't made that clear.

Why should he give his thoughts on that, that's a different thread is it not? If there isn't one (which would surprise me but I can't be arsed to look) start one?

 

[nino_savatte]

Why should he give his thoughts on that, that's a different thread is it not? If there isn't one (which would surprise me but I can't be arsed to look) start one?

It's about someone who is involved in a movement to remove Cecil Rhodes's statue from Oxford University. Sure, the guy (who's part of RMF) in article's been an arsehole, but his attitude doesn't come from nowhere. I'm not seeking to excuse what he did either. I'm just interested in tl's motivation for this thread. That's all.

It's already run into 2 pages. Yay.

 

[RubyBlue]

It's about someone who is involved in a movement to remove Cecil Rhodes's statue from Oxford University. Sure, the guy (who's part of RMF) in article's been an arsehole, but his attitude doesn't come from nowhere. I'm not seeking to excuse what he did either. I'm just interested in tl's motivation for this thread. That's all.

It's already run into 2 pages. Yay.

I think the interest in the thread is quite straight forward. Motivation? Do you ask that of every thread started?

Still not sure why you want his thoughts on Rhodes - like I said, another thread I would have thought. What's your interest here?

 

[Pickman's model]

Is it because he's black?

But what are your thoughts on Cecil Rhodes, treelover? You haven't made that clear.

Sadly he can't submit an empty post

 

[Athos]

Once again, identity politics obscures the real issues.

 

[likesfish]

Except he's picking on someone with even less power that makes him a cunt.
Most people who are twats to waiters don't go off to facebook to celebrate being a twat to a waiter as some sort of political victory.
Yeah whitey has to serve me my meal now and I wont tip her till we get the land back.

Entitled twat probably thought zumas palace was perfectly reasonable behaviour

 

[Dogsauce]

They're in on it together, he gets a cut of the kickstarter cash.

It'd be really easy to manufacture some kind of controversy like this then cash in on it, given the hysteria of the political fringes. Maybe there's an opening for a Katie Hopkins of the left.

 

[butchersapron]

Read it as an intersectional fairy tale, one where at the competitive intersection of 'race' and class, class won out.

 

[Athos]

It takes some lack of self-awareness for an Oxford student to have a pop at a low paid worker on the basis that she's likely to have benefitted indirectly from colonialism, whilst ignoring his own direct benefit as a Rhodes scholar.

 

[brogdale]

Once again, identity politics obscures the real issues.

The dead cat with 9 (or more) lives.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Does 'student acts like bellend' really need it's own thread?

Find me a student not acting like a bellend, now there's a story.

 

[Athos]

Does 'student acts like bellend' really need it's own thread?

Find me a student not acting like a bellend now there's a story.

Check your worker privilege.

 

[FNG]

A gift for the Powell was right brigade.his position of privilege will coddle him from any backlash the brunt of which will be felt by poc workers in the catering industry.

 

[andysays]

We seem to be ignoring the fact that

the catalyst was a radical non-binary trans black activist - Wandile Dlamini - from the Rhodes Must Fall movement. Because trans activists have BEEN the ultimate blessers of this decolonial struggle!

Does this excuse/explain the action? Are trans activists really the "ultimate blessers" of the decolonial struggle (whatever that means) or is the whole thing just another example of the privileged dressing themselves up in various identity politics costumes to justify their twatish behaviour?

 

[stethoscope]

Oh I just find it all a load of empty nonsense really. At the same time I then sit here and think - young people who have only ever known neo-liberalism and identity politics in their lives are going to have that heavily shape their ways of looking at the world and what constitutes struggles in it.

 

[D'wards]

I wonder how much spit and/or spunk he will consume in restaurants over the next few years?

 

[ViolentPanda]

It takes some lack of self-awareness for an Oxford student to have a pop at a low paid worker on the basis that she's likely to have benefitted indirectly from colonialism, whilst ignoring his own direct benefit as a Rhodes scholar.

Probably sees it - or justifies it - as "taking something back from'the man' ".

 

[ViolentPanda]

Oh I just find it all a load of empty nonsense really. At the same time I then sit here and think - young people who have only ever known neo-liberalism and identity politics in their lives are going to have that heavily shape their ways of looking at the world and what constitutes struggles in it.

Scary, isn't it? I'm constantly facepalming at the politics prevalent nowadays, and have been known to lecture youngsters to "read some fucking modern political history" when they pull the IP stuff. They've only got to look back 30 years to see how self-defeating elements of IP became.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I wonder how much spit and/or spunk he will consume in restaurants over the next few years?

And worse.

 

[DotCommunist]

Does 'student acts like bellend' really need it's own thread?

Find me a student not acting like a bellend now there's a story.

man bites dog *nods sagely*

 

[Athos]

Probably sees it - or justifies it - as "taking something back from'the man' ".

And giving it to black women? Funny how his intersectionalism starts and finishes with him, as a middle class black man - no overarching notion of class, no subset of further oppression amongst black people. How very convenient for him. But surely the definition of entitlement.

 

[Tom A]

This toxic identity politics is the ruling classes' wet dream come true, have everyone too distracted with self-flagellating themselves over trying to be as unoppressive and as good an "ally" as they possibly can be to be able to mount a viable challenge to the proposals to shaft everyone be they man or woman, black or white, straight or gay, cis or trans, able-bodied or disabled.

 

[Obediah Marsh]

http://www.economist.com/news/middl...s-populist-turn-land-reform-i-had-farm-africa

"More than two decades after the end of apartheid, the country’s white minority still owns most of the land."

 

[likesfish]

But bullying waiters doesnt help.

Land reform tricky problem subsistence farming really isnt the answer seize the land the surviving farmers will fuck off taking their knowledge contacts and credit ratings to be welcomed with open arms by other countries.
You now have the land but no economy

 

[Pickman's model]

http://www.economist.com/news/middl...s-populist-turn-land-reform-i-had-farm-africa

"More than two decades after the end of apartheid, the country’s white minority still owns most of the land."

A few members of... Rather than waitresses and their ilk

 

[FNG]

Fanon had this lot pegged even before they were born,tbh

Spoiler

This economy has always developed outside the limits of their knowledge. They have nothing more than an approximate, bookish acquaintance with the actual and potential resources of their country’s soil and mineral deposits; and therefore they can only speak of these resources on a general and abstract plane. After independence this under-developed middle class, reduced in numbers and without capital, which refuses to follow the path of revolution, will fall into deplorable stagnation. It is unable to give free rein to its genius, which formerly it was wont to lament, though rather too glibly, was held in check by colonial domination. The precariousness of its resources and the paucity of its managerial class forces it back for years into an artisan economy. From its point of view, which is inevitably a very limited one, a national economy is an economy based on what may be called local products. Long speeches will be made about the artisan class. Since the middle classes find it impossible to set up factories that would be more profit-earning both for themselves and for the country as a whole, they will surround the artisan class with a chauvinistic tenderness in keeping with the new awareness of national dignity, and which moreover will bring them in quite a lot of money. This cult of local products and this incapability to seek out new systems of management will be equally manifested by the bogging down of the national middle class in the methods of agricultural production which were characteristic of the colonial period.

The national economy of the period of independence is not set on a new footing. It is still concerned with the ground-nut harvest, with the cocoa crop and the olive yield. In the same way there is no change in the marketing of basic products, and not a single industry is set up in the country. We go on sending out raw materials; we go on being Europe’s small farmers who specialize in unfinished products.

Yet the national middle class constantly demands the nationalization of the economy and of the trading sectors. This is because, from their point of view, nationalization does not mean placing the whole economy at the service of the nation and deciding to satisfy the needs of the nation. For them, nationalization does not mean governing the state with regard to the new social relations whose growth it has been decided to encourage. To them, nationalization quite simply means the transfer into native hands of those unfair advantages which are a legacy of the colonial period.[\spoiler]

 

[Pickman's model]

Fanon had this lot pegged even before they were born,tbh

Not sure even Fanon could have an unborn child pegged

 

[FNG]

Clocked sussed pick yer perjerative

 

[Pickman's model]

Clocked sussed pick yer perjerative

Yer quote above doesn't have any obvious relevance to the RMF activist under discussion.