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Revolver

TheLostProphet said:
No, you keep the tissue, you're going to need it after your hour or so in the cinema frantically beating off at the thought that you could one day be a real gangster film maker like Guy Ritchie, who is about as criminal as the fun loving criminals (but clearly not as cool).

I'm going to watch a real piece of cinema history today, the final part of the great zombie quadrology. Written and directed by a real directing legend who's also known for his social commentary in films, although somebody with your obsessive tendancies over throwaway pieces of pop trash probably would have missed the symbolism of Night Of The Living Dead, Dawn Of The Dead (not the crap remake) and Day Of The Dead.

Like I said, i'm vaguely interested because Liottas career took such a nosedive after Goodfellas that he's reduced to acting in a Guy Ritchie film. Heaven knows how much they had to pay Pitt to act in that mockney dross knees up mother brown, aren't pikeys criminals and aren't I a good director shit that was Snatch.

Ok? :D

You had over an hour to come back with a witty retort and the above is all you could manage. My obessive tendancies are all harnessed in exposing and engaging self pretentious tits like yourself. Are you trying to say that the only reason you want to see the film is because of ray liotta. So lock stock and snatch were pants in your opinion, but revolver which has been binned by many on this board (people you probably respect) holds a segment of your interest because it has ray liotta.
Stop.
You're fooling yourself, you are indeed a lost prophet.
 
bloody 'ell, you lot do like to bitch.

revolver may well be pants, but lock stock, and snatch to a lesser extent were fantastic films regardless of clichés etc.. they're entertainment, and they were entertaining. Job done.

as an aside, the 'of the dead' films bore the fuck out of me (apart from Shaun of course :cool: )
 
Orang Utan said:
Ray Liotta is well overrated. His elder brother Tarka is much more talented.

Ahaha if that's the joke i think you're making (the otter? :D) but Ray Liotta is in no way overrated, in my opinion probably underrated; he's played some brilliant parts that i doubt anyone else could. Oh and i haven't seen Revolver, although i probably will at some point when it hits rentals in a few months.
 
Moggy said:
Ahaha if that's the joke i think you're making (the otter? :D) but Ray Liotta is in no way overrated, in my opinion probably underrated; he's played some brilliant parts that i doubt anyone else could. Oh and i haven't seen Revolver, although i probably will at some point when it hits rentals in a few months.
To be fair, Revolver deserves to be seen in the cinema, preferably somewhere with good sound spec if you are gonna watch it Moggy I would watch it at the cinema.
 
I wandered down the shops, bought a paper and some cigarettes, then came back and noticed you'd replied. The 'witty reply' took about a minute and a half, which is conveniently the same amount of time Ritchie puts into the plots of his films.

And yes, I would like to see Liotta mainly because I was slightly confused seeing him advertising lager a few weeks ago on the small screen, confirming suspicions that his career had taken the fatal nosedive of anyone who gets the glamour of acting with DeNiro (Goodfellas was one of his last real performances) and Pesci (ditto). Liotta never had the style, the natural ease with which DeNiro and Pesci have or at least had, of recent DeNiro has seriously lost the plot.

I do go and watch films for actors occasionally, but other times I go for the plot or out of interest. It depends on whether the plot is actually going to be decent, and usually I determine this from the directors/writers past work. In this case it's Ritchie, his past work being Lock, Stock and Snatch. So if I choose to pick this film up from Blockbuster in a month or so, it'll be to see Liotta. Or at least see how he's been getting on, after all beer commercials.

I've got no interest in watching Statham caveman his way through another film, or watch Andre Benjamin commit career suicide by trying to be a musician and a 'serious actor'. Liotta however, was good once, even if it was only the reflected glory of his much more able co-stars.

Wait for the rental is my verdict.
 
jodal said:
To be fair, Revolver deserves to be seen in the cinema, preferably somewhere with good sound spec if you are gonna watch it Moggy I would watch it at the cinema.

Yeah well i'm out in the sticks and the next time i'm near a cinema it'll probably be finished showing :rolleyes: And on another Liotta note, if any likes him and hasn't seen Narc, then track down a copy.
 
Ummmm, i probably wouldn't agree, it does slow down at points which is fair enough, but i still can't get over how well the intro sequence is done. The only fault is that Liotta's acting skills kind of overshadow Jason Patric's, which i thought were worthy of some note too.

EDIT: Never got round to seeing Dark Blue, will do when i get a chance, but most people i know didn't think it was that worth recommending.
 
Christo said:
went to the premiere on Tuesday :rolleyes: , have never seen anything so dismal, highlight was Madonna putting down the muppet from local radio or wherever who was asking her (NOT the writer/director of the film, or hang on maybe..) moronic questions

as for the film, for the first time in my life and after 1000's of films I actually uttered the words "worst film ever". after reading that quote which reads "BRILLIANT... a return to form.." from some reviewer I was really looking forward to it, and quite happy to ignore grauniad critic... however...

unless you treat the whole thing as a joke (in which case it's a worldbeater!) the funny moments i think comprise Ray Liotta looking confused or unembarassed walking round in bad underrpants

really it's tragicomic: Guy Ritchie quaintly described it as "layered" and asked us to engage our brains.... i can see it's about one or two men going mad, but nah it's an absolute mess. Jason Statham talked touchingly about how working with Ritchie allowed him to takes risks, but his acting and voiceover is laughable. He's not up to it anyway but the script is just terrible: where maybe in Lock Stock he had some good one-liners, here each and everty tedious one of them falls flat. You don't give a flying fuck about any of the characters. The film feels like it was written by an pretentious talentless adolescent aided by his six year old brother. I've never seen less sexy or more infantile attempts at sexyness, and more unimaginative and gruesome violence. Flat scenes are accompanied by passionate classical music but there's nothing to lift you up with it. The rest of the soundtrack is all generic computer gangster game music, in fact most of th efilm feels a bit like the outakes from the Getaway game

Seriously, Nathan Barley would be ashamed...

oh yeah, Andre 3000 is actually quite good (and looked cool as on the night) so can't say nil out of ten

anyway, I think the Razzies have a clear leader.

cristo and anyone else who saw it....

someone (can't remember who) said they thought Guy Very Richie Indeedy was using Revolver as a vehicle to promote his faith Kabbalah.

did it?
 
maximilian ping said:
cristo and anyone else who saw it....

someone (can't remember who) said they thought Guy Very Richie Indeedy was using Revolver as a vehicle to promote his faith Kabbalah.

did it?
There were certainly a lot of references to numbers in it, especially 12 and 13. However my distinct lack of knowledge of Kabbalah prevents me from delving deeper into the meaning of it all.
 
jodal said:
There were certainly a lot of references to numbers in it, especially 12 and 13. However my distinct lack of knowledge of Kabbalah prevents me from delving deeper into the meaning of it all.
Me too, I know next to nothing about the Kabbalah, but it's hard to imagine how the film's confused plot, weak characters, violence and boring attitude to women could reflect or be an advert for any religion...

Ritchie and his actors do seem to think they've come up with a seering portrayal of madness and it's causes (wowee!) and perhaps it is about losing one's way in life/being dependent on others, but if that's the message it's pretty much buried beneath the confusion and drab dialogue...

It seemed to me that Guy Ritchie had swallowed a book of military proverbs, had a play with his action men, roped in some actors and got his crayons out... there's some Roman and Oriental stuff about military tactics, oh yeah and Machiavelli, which I should imagine/hope contradicts quite fundamentally this Kabbalah stuff
 
Load of boolx

Right just got back from seeing this at Feltham (Staines vue were showing it too early for me so no other choice really. In addition i would like to add that I came out of Feltham Cineworld vowing never to go back again after the toilets stank of cat piss, the cinema smelt of BO and I managed to get a flea bite on my arm :eek: :( )

Anyways the film review:

I did say to my friend that I heard it was shit but would give it a go.

I wasn't wrong.

Yeh sure some bits of it were alright - the bits with the Jap/chinese/koreans were mildly amusing and I liked the two cons characters- Avi and Zach.

The film just seemed like a wannabee Trantino to me - with the mixture of animation and schizophrenic plot entwined.

I think Guy Ritchie had seen Fight Club a few too many times as well.

I thought Machas bitchboy (cant think of what he's done before) was pretty fit so at least I had him to look at for some of the film :D

I suppose it gave me something to do on a saturday night but I wouldn't reccomend anyone to go see it.
 
Rahhh, that film sounds crap. Proper, proper crap.

You've gotta laugh though - I love the idea of Guy Ritchie's career going down the pan as EVERY film critic slams his masterpiece.


Ha!
 
So would Revolver be better or worse than 'Love, honour and obey' (my all time favourite gangstacomedycaper)?
 
Orang Utan said:
Ray Liotta is well overrated. His elder brother Tarka is much more talented.
:D :D
It was worth dragging my lazy arse out of bed at 6am and into bloody work after three hours sleep to read that. Thanks! :D
 
Orang Utan said:
You're joking! That's on my top ten worst ever list

It's a right good laugh that film, loved it. :cool:

Ray Winstone: "Shut up, you're fat and I'm gonna chuck you in the river!" :D
 
Warning Spoilers!!

I watched this at the weekend and my assessment (for what its worth) is the film despite its slick production, is an absolute mess.

The intial idea that main character can borrow his way to wealth and trust via petty gangsters to a bigger arena only then to find that someone fed him the concept so they could leech of him was an interesting concept. But it fails to carry the film any real distance. The plot becomes messy when it all becomes philosphical posturing about who is who? who controls who? leading on to a the breakdown with several characters behaving frantically. Are we suppossed to conclude that several characters were one and the same? And what can of ending was that?

As someone previously said, I think this was a serious homage to fight club, but in Revolver it just made no fucking sense. Big hard men spouting heavy freudian stuff, isnt my cup of tea...

And outside of the plot, the problems are just as big, the voice over was crap, the characters were flat, the script was full of witty one-liners as you would expect from 'Lock, Stock...' etc - which infuriated me, the Mr. Gold/Gould concept was so lame and such a shit reference to 'The Usual Suspects', the music was a parody of any other decent gangster flick and some really predictible plot turns. If you couldnt guess who is cell mates were, in jail, you really shouldnt have been sleeping.

I could go on, the only thing salvagable was Andre 3000, some of the sets and the shoot out scene with the rogue hitman, other than that it was shit.
 
October at least you dissected the film and evaluated it and found that you didn't like it, others on here didn't even do that before binning it. I think when pulp fiction came out it changed the way we liked our villians to be. Evil for evil sake doesn't wash anymore, there must be a reason behind every callous deed. The chess, julius caesar, machiavellian reference were all well place in my honest opinion.
The reason for why you disliked the film could be applied to anything to justify why it is rubbish, hasn't everything been done before?
It is the angle which interested me.
A friend of mine and me went to see the film and he dislike it, but he did like "the business" and football factory.
If anyone has seen both of them then they know what it must feel like to hand over money and get a bag of sick in return.
Apart from one other person on here no one liked this film, I suspect you would all like the business and enjoyed football factory.
Can follow up post give their verdict on these two films.
 
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