Revolutionary Islam

[purves grundy]

Not heard of it I'm afraid. I've not read Jason Burke's book either - although have seen some of his articles.

Milestones was some sort of call to jihad, laying out the 'intellectual' case for it, by an Egyptian academic / hardcore muslamic.

I hesitate to call it a 'revolutionary text' for obvious reasons, but that sort of thing.

 

[quiquaquo]

On this topic though, has anyone ever read that 'Milestones' book? I remember reading about that in Jason Burke's excellent book on Al Qaeda, sounded quite influential for some.

I've had it for years but have yet to read beyond the first five pages tbh.

It's available online to read, enjoy! http://majalla.org/books/2005/qutb-nilestone.pdf

Edit: just read online apparently banned in UK, delete the link mods if needed.

 

[purves grundy]

I've had it for years but have yet to read beyond the first five pages tbh.

Edit: just read online apparently banned in UK, delete the link mods if needed.

Christ I'd never click on it anyway! I was just curious about the sociology of its influence, and the tussle of ideas alongside Arab nationalism and socialism.

 

[phildwyer]

Can I be the first apostate? Shove your Islamic shite up your hole.

I did wonder who would be the first.

 

[phildwyer]

T

why must we not disrespect the prophet?

The real question you should ask yourself is: why do I want to?

 

[phildwyer]

Milestones was some sort of call to jihad, laying out the 'intellectual' case for it, by an Egyptian academic / hardcore muslamic.

I hesitate to call it a 'revolutionary text' for obvious reasons, but that sort of thing.

The reasons aren't obvious at all.

It's impossible to understand today's world unless you've read Milestones. Not that I endorse it, but it's a must-read for sure.

 

[phildwyer]

Islam is the only transnational force capable of standing up the enslavement of nations. It is the only force capable of challenging the neo liberal new world order.

The left as a force is dead, if Che was alive to day, he would be promoting Progressive Socialist Islam.

It is impossible to forge a transnational revolutionary movement on a sectarian basis.

Having said that, the Islamic critique of usury is more relevant today than Marxist economics.

 

[phildwyer]

I watched that and laughed when the narrator said 'Islamic socialism in its modern form...' with this accompanying image. Says everything you need to know.

Do you seriously consider Western capitalism more advanced?

 

[DotCommunist]

yay

 

[phildwyer]

. What is not to like? Oh yeah, they are against music, dancing, fun.

That's the death knell of the Western Left right there.

God forbid anyone should take away their "music, dancing and fun." They'll fight to the death to defend "music, dancing and fun."

They seriously will.

 

[Dr_Herbz]

That's the death knell of the Western Left right there.

God forbid anyone should take away their "music, dancing and fun." They'll fight to the death to defend "music, dancing and fun."

They seriously will.

And bacon...

 

[phildwyer]

in fairness.... if you took away my booze and bacon, I think I'd lose the will to live

This man is not joking.

And thus we see the psychology of consumerism reaching its historical zenith.

Nowhere to go now but down.

 

[phildwyer]

I've had it for years but have yet to read beyond the first five pages tbh.

It's available online to read, enjoy! http://majalla.org/books/2005/qutb-nilestone.pdf

Edit: just read online apparently banned in UK, delete the link mods if needed.

Banned? Are you serious? Link?

 

[DotCommunist]

god, banging on about bacon on an admittedly trollsome tedious thread, but one about islam none the less. Whats next,' allah is a paedo.'

 

[phildwyer]

sky fairy bollocks

You should truly be ashamed of your ignorance.

 

[phildwyer]

Whats next,' allah is a paedo.'

Yep.

And then it'll be back to: "boohoo religion is no FUN, they want to take away my FUN, girls just want to have FUN wah wah blubber..."

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Do you seriously consider Western capitalism more advanced?

I don't see what you are referring to as that wasn't what I was posting about. The OP posted an absurd video, with no explanation as to why it would be relevant, but I watched it anyway and saw that rather unfortunate juxtaposition and it made me laugh. If that is what the OP means by 'modern' then I'm afraid he has a different interpretation of the word to me.

Modern means to me being free to dress as you please, among many other things, and not to have to wear some stifling uniform which is what is depicted in that screenshot.

I really can't be arsed to get into a discussion about whether (or not) western capitalism is more advanced than 'Islamic socialism' as it is Sunday afternoon and I've got better things to do.

 

[purenarcotic]

There were gay bars in Libya and Iraq, but it was not promoted as being benifical to the stability of society.

What about being gay is 'destabilising' to society?

This already sounds like a pretty shitty idea to me.

 

[seventh bullet]

And bacon...

Remember this?

lol.

 

[quiquaquo]

Banned? Are you serious? Link?

https://www.google.co.uk/#q=qutb+milestones+banned+in+uk

Btw to be an apostate you have to have been a Muslim first presumably, hope that helps

 

[jakethesnake]

That's the death knell of the Western Left right there.

God forbid anyone should take away their "music, dancing and fun." They'll fight to the death to defend "music, dancing and fun."

They seriously will.

Dancing, music and fun are quite a good barometer as to the freedom of a society so, yes, let's fight to keep them.

 

[phildwyer]

https://www.google.co.uk/#q=qutb milestones banned in uk

Incredible. They could never get away with that in the USA.

 

[gentlegreen]

God forbid anyone should take away their "music, dancing and fun." They'll fight to the death to defend "music, dancing and fun."

The whole spectrum of music and art.

 

[TodayIsCaturday]

Do you seriously consider Western capitalism more advanced?

Yes

 

[phildwyer]

The whole spectrum of music and art.

There's plenty of Islamic art and music.

 

[jakethesnake]

There's plenty of Islamic art and music.

That's nice for them. Can I be allowed to enjoy non-Islamic art? No! Convert or die motherfucker!!
Quite why I should be tolerant of a creed that wants to kill me and mine is beyond me.

 

[Athos]

Basically a death cult; adherents to this unwholesome set of beliefs hold that our current life is an illusion and that true life only starts after death... if that death is achieved through 'martyrdom' (mass murder and suicide) all the better. They despise reason, hate women, homosexuality and demand that all non-believers convert or die. What is not to like? Oh yeah, they are against music, dancing, fun.

Without music, how do they know when the ice-cream van comes? Bonkers! You can count me out of the worldwide caliphate.

 

[jakethesnake]

Incredible. They could never get away with that in the USA.

They're not shy about banning books either. Or reading altogether if you happen to be a woman.

 

[phildwyer]

They're not shy about banning books either. Or reading altogether if you happen to be a woman.

You are treating the lunatic fringe of Islam as if it were representative of the entire religion.

Are you even aware of this?

 

[phildwyer]

That's nice for them. Can I be allowed to enjoy non-Islamic art? No! Convert or die motherfucker!!
Quite why I should be tolerant of a creed that wants to kill me and mine is beyond me.

But surely you do not believe such opinions are typical?

For if you do I fear you are but a fool.