Revolutionary Islam

[redsquirrel]

Oh fuck, here we go.

Plato was wrong on this point, Phil.

And of course even admitted it himself.

 

[gorski]

Fook, it took me quite a bit of time to go through 15 pages of this... 'Some tortured souls in here...

Look, going back to the title of the thread: in Islam one can't hold any rights, unless they are mediated by Quran! So, kiss your Human Rights good bye, i.e. one can't "hold" any inherent, inalienable, universal rights of any kind, least of all fundamental ones, simply by virtue of being Human!

The little problem we have here is that Quran must be interpreted. We know what that means on this Earth, in those states.

To add insult to injury, there are no serious hierarchical structures in Islam to check such interpretations...

Ergo, any old hoja could make your life a misery, on a whim...

Ermmm, can one get a "second opinion"?

I mean, look at this: http://www.hriran.com/en/archive/1360-qhuman-rights-have-no-place-in-islam.html - there's your "French connection" right there...

More? OK: http://books.google.it/books?hl=en&...1TrAzX10V1ncqQnY9PQ2K1nek#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/25659365?uid=2&uid=4&sid=21104324211341

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/1051518?uid=2&uid=4&sid=21104324211341

....

 

[gorski]

Btw, there are such options as agnosticism...

 

[ManchesterBeth]

You could haphazardly reconcile islam with crude dialectical materialism, especially the shia varieties. But. Er. why would you want to do such a thing?

 

[gorski]

To troll? Lots of those around here...

 

[ManchesterBeth]

To troll? Lots of those around here...

Actually in typical Stalinist fashion the peoples Mojahedin of Iran tried to do this. It caused them to ally with the islamic sections of the so-called progressive bourgeoisie.

Says it all really.

 

[gorski]

Mujaheed, I think... Mujahedeen is not a kind expression, if memory serves...

I will pretend I understand this "alliance"...

 

[ManchesterBeth]

Mujaheed, I think... Mujahedeen is not a kind expression, if memory serves...

I will pretend I understand this "alliance"...

No Mujaheed means individual struggler, Mujahedeen is the plural. In turkish the word for struggle is mücadele (where ü ıs pronounced lıke the German U umlaut and C lıke J...) arabic/persian root obviously... So class struggle is sınıf mücadelesi, no religious connotation here.

 

[gorski]

Ha, thanx - I've got it mediated by Bosnians and those guys seem to have been "misinformed"...

Oh, well, must dig into that a bit more, just for the Hell of it all..

 

[ManchesterBeth]

There are no atheists. Someone who really didn't believe in God (in the philosophical sense) would be unable to function.

classic.

 

[likesfish]

I'm pretty sure any belief system that considers nonadherents as property richly deserves to place its unshakeable faith in god against assorted computer geeks armed with Hellfire missiles

 

[8ball]

classic.

Happy days.