Revolution: "Independent" Youth Group?
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charlie mowbray said:
At least one has hair to wash, you auld coot.
What does Jeeves use?
Flavour said:
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Streets are paved with gold, little trot....you could do what Trot did on the streets of NY....
charlie mowbray
The Enforcer
i've still got my hair, Ernesto whereas with you senile dementia set in prematurely
charlie mowbray said:
Thatches don't count!
REVO is Workers power
Without revo workers power would barely function with its fifty or so memebers. Revo is the life blood of workers power they just keep you secret from the rest of the WP gimps so you dont leave. Stop being groomed by workers power losers and get a life and leave.
No one in SWP was bothered about youth assembly as we dont even give a shit
red_hippy said:
Without revo workers power would barely function with its fifty or so memebers. Revo is the life blood of workers power they just keep you secret from the rest of the WP gimps so you dont leave. Stop being groomed by workers power losers and get a life and leave.
No one in SWP was bothered about youth assembly as we dont even give a shit
jannerboyuk
...just kids gone wild.
Raoul Duke said:
Youth? More like a bunch of infants. Tell us Raoul, is your dad bigger then Red Hippys dad by any chance?
Cheers
Jeff
cockneyrebel
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What a pathetic post “Duke”….(are you of the not so hard Bambery gang?!)
You say you don’t care about the youth assembly but that is possibly because the SWPs short lived youth organisation (run by Bambery in his 40s – was he “grooming”), was shut down recently after total failure.
Workers Power has about 80 members, but the SWP is hardly of any significance on the wider scale of things with about 1000 members and declining. Lost your youth group, lost your print shop, no significance in the trade unions, losing it with RESPECT….you really are all over the shop….
Revo isn’t the “life blood” of workers power by any means (most of the people I know who have joined WP recently have been nothing to do with Revo as it goes). But yeah Revo is doing well in and of itself.
As for “gimps” isn’t it Chris Bambery who wears leather gloves and pony tail beards? Must of looked good when he was running Spark!
As for Workers Power. Revo members are well aware of WP. It’s no secret. Unlike the way the SWP operated in GR and the Socialist Alliance.
You say you don’t care about the youth assembly but that is possibly because the SWPs short lived youth organisation (run by Bambery in his 40s – was he “grooming”), was shut down recently after total failure.
Workers Power has about 80 members, but the SWP is hardly of any significance on the wider scale of things with about 1000 members and declining. Lost your youth group, lost your print shop, no significance in the trade unions, losing it with RESPECT….you really are all over the shop….
Revo isn’t the “life blood” of workers power by any means (most of the people I know who have joined WP recently have been nothing to do with Revo as it goes). But yeah Revo is doing well in and of itself.
As for “gimps” isn’t it Chris Bambery who wears leather gloves and pony tail beards? Must of looked good when he was running Spark!
As for Workers Power. Revo members are well aware of WP. It’s no secret. Unlike the way the SWP operated in GR and the Socialist Alliance.
Raoul Duke said:
thats why for months and months leading SWP members have been arguing at ESF meetings preparatory meetings that it shouldn't happen, is it?
surely if you 'didn't give a shit' then you'd be indifferent about it
also, if the youth assembly was so unimportant why did people from loads of left groups from across europe go to it, apart from the strange absence of SWP members... probably all too busy selling the daily paper to go to any groups meetings that the SWP didn't have control of
I think the SWPs failure at a Youth Section owes far more to it inability and hostility to sections within the Party more generally. They fought against a women's, Black and Asian, lesbian and gay, etc. in the past. There only success has been the SWSS.
The Socialist Labour Party recent spilt was provoked by a rebellion in its internal youth section however its arms length Che-Leila society rather gathered a life of its own. Much like the Labour Party who suffered very badly from it Young Socialists which were captured by Militant (now SP).
The old Communist Party did do quite well with the Young Communist League which became as social as it was political. It was a great depository for the offsping of its members.
Not sure the anarchists have ever really tried to set-up as specifically youth section (but please correct me).
The Socialist Labour Party recent spilt was provoked by a rebellion in its internal youth section however its arms length Che-Leila society rather gathered a life of its own. Much like the Labour Party who suffered very badly from it Young Socialists which were captured by Militant (now SP).
The old Communist Party did do quite well with the Young Communist League which became as social as it was political. It was a great depository for the offsping of its members.
Not sure the anarchists have ever really tried to set-up as specifically youth section (but please correct me).
Udo Erasmus
Well-Known Member
It's comical Cockneywebels attempt to equate the tiny WP with the mighty SWP.
He also makes unfounded allegations that the SWP is declining in size - while it has not grown amazingly in the last year, I see little evidence for this contention. Though even if the SWP lost 90% of its members it would still be 10 times bigger than WP.
The SWP has probably around 2000-3000 core active members with a similar number of less active members, trade unionists, members who join and leave within a year etc.
For the record, I believe, the only trotskyist organisations with any weight are the SWP and SP/Militant (though the later is in decline).
Whether you like or dislike the SWP, it does have a hegemonic role on the left in Britain.
It is the only organisation outside of the Labour Party able to generate nationwide campaigns such as StopTheWar or the ANL that have mobilised thousands.
Many people might criticise it's role within these campaigns or dislike the SWP - but no other organisation on the left in Britain could have launched the Stop the War Coalition, a week after 9.11 and had branches set up in most areas of the country within 2 weeks following mass meetings.
In the past Militant was able to do this with the anti-poll tax campaign and others - I doubt whether it can now.
On the subject of Revo and the ESF, it was Tina Becker of the CPGB who first exposed the widespread belief by European leftists that Workers Power's obsession with a "Youth Space" was mainly to pick up recruits for it's "independent" front organisation.
He also makes unfounded allegations that the SWP is declining in size - while it has not grown amazingly in the last year, I see little evidence for this contention. Though even if the SWP lost 90% of its members it would still be 10 times bigger than WP.
The SWP has probably around 2000-3000 core active members with a similar number of less active members, trade unionists, members who join and leave within a year etc.
For the record, I believe, the only trotskyist organisations with any weight are the SWP and SP/Militant (though the later is in decline).
Whether you like or dislike the SWP, it does have a hegemonic role on the left in Britain.
It is the only organisation outside of the Labour Party able to generate nationwide campaigns such as StopTheWar or the ANL that have mobilised thousands.
Many people might criticise it's role within these campaigns or dislike the SWP - but no other organisation on the left in Britain could have launched the Stop the War Coalition, a week after 9.11 and had branches set up in most areas of the country within 2 weeks following mass meetings.
In the past Militant was able to do this with the anti-poll tax campaign and others - I doubt whether it can now.
On the subject of Revo and the ESF, it was Tina Becker of the CPGB who first exposed the widespread belief by European leftists that Workers Power's obsession with a "Youth Space" was mainly to pick up recruits for it's "independent" front organisation.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Ther also used to be Anarchist Student which i think developed into Anarchist Youth back in the 60s.rednblack said:
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
"On the subject of Revo and the ESF, it was Tina Becker of the CPGB who first exposed the widespread belief by European leftists that Workers Power's obsession with a "Youth Space" was mainly to pick up recruits for it's "independent" front organisation."
What else she expose about the bureaucratic stich ups and the SWP/SA role in carrying these out udo? There's a long list of articles that you may have to reply to if you follow this line.
What else she expose about the bureaucratic stich ups and the SWP/SA role in carrying these out udo? There's a long list of articles that you may have to reply to if you follow this line.
Udo Erasmus said:
Got anything to back this up? ....doubt it seen as there was no-body from CPGB or SWP at the youth assembly. If you had been there then you would have seen what the Youth Assembly was really about achieving.... a revolutionary youth international. None of the decleration that was passed was party specific, it related to issues which affect youth interntionally... we made steps towards the possibility of a network of uni occupations in response to mass closures, we united around taking direct action against the G8 and EU summit, and united in taking a No Platofrm stance against fascists. How, in any way, does this constitute an attempt by WP to recruit youth members?
Udo Erasmums said:
Yes, a hegemonic role which is presently drawing big numbers of activists away from revolutionary politics and towards the SWP's populist, liberal centrism
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Or Charlie Mowbray - he was the main force behind it.rednblack said:
That is a bit more than claimed in an interesting article in the latest issue of the CPGB's Weekly Worker. (10xWP=500 and 10% of SWP=120 - so you were close).Udo Erasmus said:
Socialist Workers Party
Newspaper: Socialist Worker (weekly, but will go daily during the ESF).
Other journals: International Socialism (quarterly), Socialist Review (monthly).
Website: www.swp.org.uk.
Prominent members: John Rees (editor of International Socialism and national secretary of Respect); Lindsey German (Stop the War Coalition convenor and member of Respect executive); Alex Callinicos (responsible for international work through the SWP’s International Socialist Tendency, and authoritative writer); Chris Bambery (Socialist Worker editor and member of Respect executive).
Size: Claims in the recent past have ranged from 10,000 to 15,000 card-carriers - in truth, around 1,200 real members.
Alliance for Workers’ Liberty
Newspaper: Solidarity (fortnightly).
Other journals: Workers’ Liberty (occasional).
Website: www.workersliberty.org.uk
Prominent members: Sean Matgamna, Martin Thomas, Mark Osborn.
Size: Around 100 members, with a very small periphery beyond that.
Comments: Origins in the International Socialists, forerunners of the SWP. From 1974 onwards, became a Labour Party entryist group.
Workers Power
Newspaper: Workers Power (monthly).
Other journals: Revolution - paper of the formally “independent” youth group “in political solidarity” with WP.
Website: www.workerspower.com
Prominent members: Mark Hoskisson, Dave Stockton, Keith Hassle.
Size: Probably between 40 and 50 domestically, perhaps a couple of hundred worldwide, when you tot up the numbers in its rebranded international grouping, the League for a Fifth International.
International Socialist Group
Newspaper: Resistance (a co-sponsored monthly).
Other journals: International Viewpoint, journal of the United Secretariat of the Fourth International.
Website: www.zoo.co.uk/~z8001063/International-Socialist-Group
Prominent members: Alan Thornett (member of Respect executive); Greg Tucker (leading militant in the RMT rail union).
Size: Up to 100 members, I have been informed, but 25 seems more realistic
Socialist Party
Newspaper: The Socialist (weekly).
Other journals: Socialism Today (monthly).
Prominent members: Peter Taaffe (leader); Dave Nellist (SP councillor in Coventry); Roger Bannister (executive of Unison trade union).
Website: www.socialistparty.org.uk
Size: Hard to tell, but probably in the region of 200 to 300 genuine members, with a small periphery.
Scottish Socialist Party
Newspaper: Scottish Socialist Voice (weekly).
Website: www.scottishsocialistparty.org
Prominent members: Tommy Sheridan (national convenor and member of the Scottish parliament); Alan McCombes (editor Scottish Socialist Voice); Allan Green (national secretary).
Size: Between 3,000 and 3,500 on paper.
Socialist Action
Publications: None - Socialist Action last appeared in 1999.
Size: Hard to gauge, but probably no more than 40.
Website: ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/sa_review/sahome.htm - although last updated in April 2003 with the text of a pamphlet on the Iraq war.
Prominent members: Redmond O’Neill, Simon Fletcher, John Ross: all three have been appointed by Livingstone to work for the GLA - Redmond O’Neill is on a salary of £111,000.
http://cpgb.org.uk/worker/548/brit left.htm
cockneyrebel
New Member
This confirms my suspicions that Udo is either a troll or off his rocker. The MIGHTY SWP….hahahaha, you couldn’t make it up. We’ve gone through how many members the SWP has, but as my experience as a member and from what people have said about the SWP from around the country I now think their active membership is no more than 1000 – but believe the CCs myths if you like. You couldn’t get more than 40 people to the two SWP “super forums” that covered the whole of south London!
But the fact is, whatever your figures, the VAST majority of people haven’t got a clue who the SWP are and you have no influence in the TUs at all. Indeed the SP probably has more influence than the SWP. I didn’t get involved in politics until I was 21 but come from a fairly political background and I’d never heard of them. If you’re not a troll you really are living in cloud cuckoo land.
I mean you couldn’t even get a youth group off the ground due to lack of young members….how MIGHTY you are!
Yeah the SWP is the biggest left group in England, but all that shows is how pathetic and tiny the left in the UK is at the moment....
And for an SWPer to talk about front organisations is a bit of joke.....
charlie mowbray
The Enforcer
AYN? Not guilty your honour! 
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