Revo board down again
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belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
one in todays guardian. tere is also info about attitudes towards the wars.
consdiering what has changed since the last polls (ie Lebanon & this plane threat malarkey) I'd say its not a great stretch of imaginiation to say that those had had a greater effect upon peoples voting intentions than issues where nothing had changed particularly in the last couple of months.
consdiering what has changed since the last polls (ie Lebanon & this plane threat malarkey) I'd say its not a great stretch of imaginiation to say that those had had a greater effect upon peoples voting intentions than issues where nothing had changed particularly in the last couple of months.
cockneyrebel
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I’ve heard this several times on the Revo boards, is there actually any evidence for this? Or is this yet another assertion with no backing.
Also it was quite funny that people were responding to my posts on the Revo board after I got expelled (because of an email that someone else!!)….a bit much really……
Well how comes all the LFI members throwing about personal abuse weren’t chucked off? Seriously why are LFI members on the Revo boards allowed to throw around petty insults time after time? Also have you got ANY evidence of me engaging in personal abuse or “slander”. Indeed the only time someone tried to pick me up (Richard denying that there was bullying in WPs London youth branch) I showed him to be a liar. Ashame that he wanted to deny something he saw with his own eyes.
Also ashame as I was having a good debate with Marcus about the LFI saying we are in a “pre revolutionary period”. He finally admitted that global strike figures had decreased in the past 10 years from an already historic low, but then went on to say there had been more general strikes. When I asked where he got this information from…..silence…..he was also commenting that the “pre-revolutionary situation” in France was a result of the pre-revolutionary period and that the state of the French economy meant the government would have no room to manoeuvre…..
French growth 'best in 20 years'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5273672.stm
Surely some mistake?
Then you have Brazil paying off it's entire debt to the IMF, Chavez being able to spend huge sums on social projects (as a result of the oil boom, which has come from the growth in the world economy, especially China) and things such as Russia paying off it's entire debt to the Paris Club. And of course historically low global strike figures and year after year of high global growth.....pre-revolutionary period it is then.....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5271122.stm
"The move will cut the debt burden inherited by Russia from the Soviet Union by more than 90% to $3bn."
Luke if this is the case why did one of the PR members hand over a substantial sum of money to the LFI leadership in the month before we expelled. We must have been the most incompetent thieves in history! Also where is there ANY evidence of people wanting to drive young comrades out of the LFI. This is just total lies. One member of PR said in one email that we should make the flaky members consider whether WPs politics were from them. Why do you associate flaky members with younger members. A bit patronising IMO.
Also if it wasn’t a political purge why were the members from Ireland and Coventry expelled? Any answers to that one?
What you mean other than de facto expelling the Australian section on the grounds that it “didn’t exist”. A novel reason I’ve give you!! Especially as the LFI leadership had spent the last two years praising the work of Australian Revo….
Also totally agree with what belboid has said (that's about anti-war feeling, not insulting Luke!!)......clearly mobilising against imperialism and the G8 are of importance to the working class in the UK unless you only want to involve yourself in local politics. But how you can remove one from the other I don't know.
Donna Ferentes said:
Elitist shit that Elitist shits always come out with....You want to not only tell people what to think about but what they should think about it....
The things that concern people dont concern you....You have much more important issues to worry about......
Its a pity there are not more clever people like you, for people to look up too eh....
Thanks.belboid said:
The trouble with those polls is that they don't indicate how much of a factor foreign policy is in the way that people vote, whether it's the deciding factor or the straw that broke the camels back or whether it makes very little difference at all.
Yeah, but people don't just suddenly turn around and completely change their opinion within the space of a couple of months, IMO, it just seems more likely that the war and terrorism has just given a lot of people that final push past the point where they're utterly sick of the Blair government.belboid said:
For somebody who likes to wank on about their anti-elitist credentials, you're pretty quick to trivialise the opinions of the 72% of people who feel they've been made more of a target for terrorism by Blair's actions.tbaldwin said:
It might not be the most important or pressing concern for most people, but it's a genuine one.
cockneyrebel
New Member
Well I guess it partly depends on what you mean by "important for the working class". For instance I'd say socialism if important for the working class but I should think only a small percentage of other working class people would agree.
But in terms of the war I think it's important on both levels. Firstly I'd say imperialism is of great significance to the working class globally, and that includes the UK (100,000s of Iraqi working class people being butchered for a start). But also I do think that a huge number of working class people in the UK saw the issue of the war as important, they certainly did/do in my work places. I should imagine that a fair whack of the 2 million people on the anti-war march were working class.
Yes I reckon the war would be near the top. Blair's support for bombing Lebanon back to dust wasn't exactly popular you know? Working class people do have a sense of justice. They don't like to see other working class people being slaughtered for no good reason (even if they're foreigners).
But a little digression how long do people think Revo's latest "front and stunt" campaign is "UK US out of the middle east" or whatever its called will last? This is the latest in a long line of similar F & S campaigns all of which last about as long as it takes to recruit a few "passers by," who stay in for a bit until the next F & S campaign comes along. Who will be in this campaign? No one but Revo themselves. I give it until the Labour Party demo in Manchester.
But a little digression how long do people think Revo's latest "front and stunt" campaign is "UK US out of the middle east" or whatever its called will last? This is the latest in a long line of similar F & S campaigns all of which last about as long as it takes to recruit a few "passers by," who stay in for a bit until the next F & S campaign comes along. Who will be in this campaign? No one but Revo themselves. I give it until the Labour Party demo in Manchester.
Barry Kades
Everythin' and Everythin'
Revo really are a joke. I remember reading their screeches about "smashing the BNP" during the local elections. Sadly their anti-fascism amounted handing out UAF leaflets telling people to be nice to one another. Please!
Revo and Workers Power need to take a good hard look at themselves and ask what is their point? The Sparts and IBT are so much better at r-r-revolutionary posing and the SWP are tons superior on unserious opportunistic fronts. Consistent and focused work in a particular locale or workplace might be a good place to begin.
Revo and Workers Power need to take a good hard look at themselves and ask what is their point? The Sparts and IBT are so much better at r-r-revolutionary posing and the SWP are tons superior on unserious opportunistic fronts. Consistent and focused work in a particular locale or workplace might be a good place to begin.
and the biggest joke of all is, they didn't even agree with the UAF leaflets they were handing out - they advocated an abstention in the elections - as allegedly if the Labour got elected i.e. defeated a BNP candidate then it actually strengthened the fascists because the reason people voted fascist was because of Labour, which has a kind of twisted logic to it, but effectively means its impossible to ever use the workers united front against fascism.
So not only were the hyprocits, they advocated a position they didn't support, but they didn't on one single occasion implement no platform. It was all total bluster. However it did attract some passers by to their stalls - so I gather they were happy.
So not only were the hyprocits, they advocated a position they didn't support, but they didn't on one single occasion implement no platform. It was all total bluster. However it did attract some passers by to their stalls - so I gather they were happy.
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