untethered
For industry & decency
Don't be silly. Everyone knows that the only chance the EU Trade Commissioner gets to talk to "elites" is at non-shadowy, non-secret meetings.
Return of the Mandelson
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Don't be silly. Everyone knows that the only chance the EU Trade Commissioner gets to talk to "elites" is at non-shadowy, non-secret meetings.
No. They did it. But just compare it what Mandleson did with his non-declared loan. And what happened by way of punishment for it.
The Tories tended to get caught out either boffing the hired help or else taking money off guliable mugs like Fayed and then not actually doing what he wanted. Oh and Lord Archer supposedly told a few porkies after he was blackmailed by a Prostitute. But they paid a price. There were consequences.
But Mandleson gets back into Government twice. And all after holding a cushy European job.
Robin Cook is boffing the hired help and then, when threatened with exposure by the NOTW, ditches his wife at an airport to save his career. And lets not even start on Prescott. His behaviour was disgraceful and should have been an automatic sacking for somebody in such a powerful role.
But instead nothing. Thats the difference between the two parties. One punishes bad behaviour, the other rewards it.
It was an attempt humour
. I do wonder though how come things like the WTO, G8 etc. get a lot of press and activists turning up, yet Bilderberg doesn't? The same sort of people are present at the Bilderberg meetings including bast*rds like Mandy.Maybe the lack of activism is what has lead so many loons to latch onto it?
TomPaine
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
It was an attempt humour
Bilderberg meetings have always tended to be held in inaccessible locations where as the WTO etc only started doing that once the protests happened. Plus, I think, Bilderberg meetings are a bit more discrete in how they publicise or don't themselves...
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
So having people thinking and arguing for the legalisation of child porn ergo child abuse was helpful was it?
Glad they were with you lot......
untethered
For industry & decency
I think that exploring the limits of the free market was a better use of time than exploring creative ways to expand Soviet influence in western Europe.
BlackSpecs
The DogFather
My guess is that he blackmailed Brown into revealing that he too is gay !
.....Alegidly !!!
.....Alegidly
!!!
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
And now you've spouted your line, perhaps answer the question?!
For industry, decency and if the free market says yes a spot of child porn.
How nice....
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Indeed. One tends to forget that Archer and Aitken actually went to prison, and Hamilton and Smith would have (had they not been booted out in 1997) been seriously bollocked by the Parliamentary authorities (and had already quit immediately when cash for questions broke) and that the defining report of the 1990s (Scott), though it was spun heavily by the Major government was actually incredibly damning.
Contrast that with the absolute lack of resignations, criminal trials and even mildly critical independent reports since 1997 despite arguably far worse conduct.
That is an unusual way to go about saving your career though. The traditional custom is to desert the affair in favour of the marriage.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Why the reference to Roland Gift in the context of the Monday Club?
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david dissadent
New Member
A friend of mine always used to trot out the matra "never bet against Blair" when teflon Tony was PM. No matter how much his antics enraged or upset me and how much I would rail against him my mate would always point out that you never put down real money on Blair getting caught or failing.
Mandleson has none of Blairs charisma but if you strip away emotions about his politics and the kind of politician he is and think about his ability as a spin doctor and a political operator then its a different story. He is in a totaly different league as a politician compaired to the rest of Browns cabinet. There is alot of risk attached to it, but he is infinitely more of a threat to the tories than Hazel Blears.
Oh and Id not be suprised to see Blunkett back within a year.
Mandleson has none of Blairs charisma but if you strip away emotions about his politics and the kind of politician he is and think about his ability as a spin doctor and a political operator then its a different story. He is in a totaly different league as a politician compaired to the rest of Browns cabinet. There is alot of risk attached to it, but he is infinitely more of a threat to the tories than Hazel Blears.
Oh and Id not be suprised to see Blunkett back within a year.
untethered
For industry & decency
Perhaps it goes some way towards explaining why I'm still a conservative but no longer a Tory.
Nevertheless, it was people like the FCS that were leading the agenda and there probably wasn't a better place to be short of actually in the government to learn how the world was changing for better and worse, and why.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Yes, I've wondered that too. It's strikes me that avoiding opposing the Bilderberg Group only gives it a "mystique" it does not deserve (and gives fuel to some of the odder theories out there).
I personally treat that group as yet another meeting of the capitalist ruling class - just like the G8 and Just as deserving of condemnation. Or is anyone seriously silly enough to claim the Bilderberg is the only meeting of capitalists that is benign and harmless?
Exactly! Considering that if the Tories get into power next election I think we deserve answers on why Ken Clarke and Osbourne refuse to answer questions on what they discuss at the meeting, they are elected officials after all. All this bollocks about them attending in a private capacity is exactly that... bollocks.
I understand politicians need privacy when discussing sensative issues, but they usually say they are having a meeting with such and such over whatever topic even if they do not announce specifics to the press.
All this cloak and dagger rubbish is exactly what gives it this mystique. It allows crack pots like Ike to say they space lizards or whatever unchalleneged as nobody wants to touch the subject of the "Bilderbergers" lest they be labelled a loon or a UFO freak or something.
TomPaine
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Did anyone see the footage of him outside No10? I was quite surpised by how old he's got, he looks and acts like he's becoming a bit of a granddad!
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
Is he a Lord yet? Surely he can't start until he gets the wee cape thing?
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
Rather unlikely, unless he's not letting on about summat?!
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
In mannerism, tone...something old mannish about him now.
Yes he is looking old as for the granddad i dont think he is likely to be a father i dont think he leans that way
Mandleson, cunt that he is, may be all that stands between us and the tories.
Think about that.
How does that make you lefties feel ? Are you really that scared of the Tories that you would let that cunt Mandleson, who has to be the most corrupt and venal politician of our age, effectively take control of things ?
newbie
undisambiguated
that's about it, I think. Inward looking (Westminster, Labour Party) rather than out, but that reveals a desperation in Brown because he realises how vulnerable he is over this economic meltdown. He, Brown, spent 10 years as Chancellor and a year as PM and has left his fingerprints all over the economy. He hasn't the political skills to shift the blame anywhere else- but it's just possible that Mandy might be able to.
Less than that? Another tarnished but skillful and powerful politician capable of original thought. Again, head and shoulders above the Harmans or Darlings of this world.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Since when was Mandelson a "lefty"? Since when has the New Labour government been "left wing"? Aye, I feel all warm and twee inside now that Mandelson has returned to cabinet.
Sion Simons is now a minister (for "skills") and there is talk that Blunkett may be making a return. What is Gorgon thinking?
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