"Return Of Class War"
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Exactly - that's what you put a sum in an offshore account to take advantage of tax-relief in a third country for
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
Exactly, and even the Mail complained a while ago that -
Only one in 6 of UK's richest men is paying ANY income tax.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Deseased little fuckbuckets over at the toryverminograph. I'd have them all shot with poison darts.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
The shortish answer: it's a catch-all term for a variety of institutions, many of which are closely linked, and individuals within them who work to consolidate global power through power mechanisms which are neither accountable or overt. I say not "overt", that doesnt mean to say one can't find evidence (these groups classically include CFR, Trilateral, Bildeberg etc.)
Perhaps you are asking in a kind of way that says "but nothing CALLED the NWO actually puts out documents"
You say "poor research" but there is actually a vast amount of research, although I think you're right that people are often seeking to advance an agenda (my agenda would be pretty similar if I wasnt interested in this stuff).
You are also right that it attracts nutters, but frankly I've never come accross a field of political thinking, or a political party, that didnt attract nutters. it's a nutty ole world out there.
My assumption that clandestine "shadow government" takes place comes from things like JFKs warning; Eisenhowers MIC warning; Operations Gladio, Paperclip, Northwards etc; Iran/Contra; the way in which the Federal Reserve was established; the ways in which global corporations and institutions increasingly work to consolidate power through lying, war, exploitation etc; The state/banking relationships at the heart of the biggest scam in history; rise of the surveillance state; the marriage of state and corporation; codex alimentarius; a host of other things.
This sounds hotchpotch but there are patterns there that for me do go beyond "it's just how capitalism works". It is more mendatious and orchestrated than capitalism.
I dont know if I buy the full NWO package (family bloodlines, the occult stuff though there is at least SOME occult stuff, population reduction etc.) Neither do I think that the NWO neccessarily get their way, or that there aint factions within NWO, and movements in places like Russia and Japan that are also elitist, secretive but opposed to NWO.
But through history there has been enough weird shit go on to keep an eye on stuff like this. The whole global situation just isnt quite simple enough IMO as shaking my fist at capitalism and eco destruction, but those 2 things are major focuses on what I get involved with politically.
I don't see myself as an anti NWO campaigner although the things I would like to help achieve would help circumnavigate them.
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
Interesting issue of the Economist a few weeks ago warning of a global backlash against the rich and predicting that the chare of wealth held by the top 1% is going to shrink again like it did in the 1940s. Lots of worried uring of calmness. Important to know what one of the rich's in-house magazines is saying imo.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
You see, it's when you mention stuff like this that your arguments fall down completely, especially the bits where you talk about doing loads of research.
Codex thread
Teuchters polite reply from the FSA about CA and the UK
glenquagmire
Rightwing NuLab apologist
taff> The problem is things like you have mentioned above have always existed through out history. Power struggles, both covert and overt have existed for as long as man has had the ability to conspire to achieve power, wealth and force his view on his fellow human beings.
Hell look at the events of 1066.
By using the term NWO you are hinting that there is some sort of concerted organised global effort to achieve a single goal. However the evidence just doesn't show that at all in my opinion. Whilst some events are very obviously the result of conspiracies to suggest they are all linked and that some small group sit at the apex like puppet masters, just seems to fly in the face of not only fact but what would be feasibly possible.
Consider that also it assumed by some of these "researches" that these families have been conspiring for at least hundreds of years, some say say thousands... it seems impossible and it doesn't take into account plain old fate, accident and human greed.
So which soruces do you use ?
Hell look at the events of 1066.
By using the term NWO you are hinting that there is some sort of concerted organised global effort to achieve a single goal. However the evidence just doesn't show that at all in my opinion. Whilst some events are very obviously the result of conspiracies to suggest they are all linked and that some small group sit at the apex like puppet masters, just seems to fly in the face of not only fact but what would be feasibly possible.
Consider that also it assumed by some of these "researches" that these families have been conspiring for at least hundreds of years, some say say thousands... it seems impossible and it doesn't take into account plain old fate, accident and human greed.
So which soruces do you use ?
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Isn't this supposed to be a thread about class war and the UK budget?
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
You're not the person to be asking questions Mr thinly-veiled-libertarian-who-issues-occasional-insincere-leftist-soundbites-to-win-support-for-his-rightist-views. I'd keep my trap shut if I were you.
rikwakefield
Born to be Mild
That just isn't right IMO.
What drivel is this? Come on which bosses?
Resorting to empty smears now are we? I presume you aren't familiar with the posts I've made regarding the US health care system and how appauling it is and my support for an NHS style system here then? Hardly "Libertarian" is it....
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
I'm well aware of your inconsistant viewpoints ta.
Your trap - shut it.
Your trap - shut it.
How so? It looks to me like highly complicated and arcane capitalism, but nevertheless instantly recgonizable as capitalism. Indeed the credit-based economy can be called the logical conclusion of capitalism. What do you find orchestrating the current politico-social system other than capital?
So "Jeff Robinson" gets to define who can ask questions now eh? Come on answer the question, or can't you?
Inconsistant.. how? Because I'm not a loon posting pictures of nooses on a forum and silly little cartoons?
What is Libertarian about supporting public housing, are you aware where the UKLP and their US counterparts stand on such issues? What I am I being inconsistant with then exactly?
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Yes it was a question. I actually support taxation because I think it is necessary. In an ideal world we wouldn't need taxes and people would happily donate large sums of their earnings for the public good. However we don't live in a perfect world.
I don't think it is wrong to admit that taxation requires state enforcement do you? You are punished if you don't cough up (unless you are one of the 150K earners who can stash it using the law to help them).
Out of interest Jeff, if the state whithered away do you think taxation would be necessary?
I don't think it is wrong to admit that taxation requires state enforcement do you? You are punished if you don't cough up (unless you are one of the 150K earners who can stash it using the law to help them).
Out of interest Jeff, if the state whithered away do you think taxation would be necessary?
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
All of 'em.
I wouldn't call you a libertarian, but I would call you a liberal.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
NO FUCKING WAY!!!!!
That's good quality hemp rope there. I'm not wasting that on bosses! They can be hung by my grimy blue nylon tow rope, not the good stuff!
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
NO FUCKING WAY!!!!!
That's good quality hemp rope there. I'm not wasting that on bosses! They can be hung by my grimy blue nylon tow rope, not the good stuff!
You're a cruel authoritarian VP. I'd treat them to a final meal of their choosing and a personal shoe shinning service before they were marched off to the gallows too. I'm a humanitarian, you could learn a thing or two from me.
I know a few people on 150k plus, and I am not shedding any tears that they will be earning less money
Quite.
I also hate the way the news is focussing on the highest earners, middle management and other people on above average salaries. How they have lost their jobs, their struggle to get a job and the indignity of signing on. Boohoo! No mention of people in the poverty trap who were already on a low income or living off benefits and can't get a job as a result of that, or how the recession is going to make it even harder for people like them.
Admittedly I do feel sorry for their children who have to bare witness to their parent(s) suffer from lack of money. That is one of the few things that transcends all incomes but there is never any mention of that.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
I always knew that the toryverminograph was a rightwing rag but I hadn't realised that it gave space to such boggle eyed, fruitlooped wingnuttery as this.
I pity the fools that REGULARLY BUY IT. They must be really thick cunts.
[furthermore, I am aware that it is a blog and not a paper publication but there is a nexus between the their online line and paper commentators that makes the point valid]
I pity the fools that REGULARLY BUY IT. They must be really thick cunts.
[furthermore, I am aware that it is a blog and not a paper publication but there is a nexus between the their online line and paper commentators that makes the point valid]
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
So that's you and me, then.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I can feel the Jacq Boot on my back even now
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
I can feel the Jacq Boot on my back even now
It must be working, you're even using the gender neutral spelling of "Jack Boot" you PC sheeple!
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
You see the trouble is a lot of people outside of the narrow confines of urban75 do think like this and they are not torygraph readers.They usually say things like 'you can't say anything these days
' The whole issue of class war apart from obviously being so stupid is valid in one sense; The upper middleclass will continue to do very well. The tories will cushion them at the expense of everyone else.There is already so much shit happening out there that a lot of you have not got a clue about, so , unlike others on this thread i for one am not looking forward to any increase in social polarisation, poverty and general inequality that this depression is going to inflict.
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