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I have to hand it to you if you can mend camera shutters. I just wouldn't have the patience. I have patched up enlargers a few times but at least they are on a scale that doesn't require a magnifying glass and joy of joys no shutters.

While we are on about retro cameras, I love the style, colour and minimalism of this one - it is on ebay.

http://www.cupog.com/foto/WerraI23P.jpg
 
Hocus Eye. said:
VP

I have to hand it to you if you can mend camera shutters. I just wouldn't have the patience. I have patched up enlargers a few times but at least they are on a scale that doesn't require a magnifying glass and joy of joys no shutters.
Like I said, the simpler ones aren't too bad, especially stuff like the Varios which have a narrow spread of speeds (1/25 to about 1/150th usually), because the escapement is usually not too complex, and most of the time it is dried or gummed lubrication making them stick, so you don't have to dismantle them to fix them, just let the solvent do the work for you. :)

Of course, you then need to "air" the shutter for a little while, so that it doesn't stink of lighter fuel!
While we are on about retro cameras, I love the style, colour and minimalism of this one - it is on ebay.

http://www.cupog.com/foto/WerraI23P.jpg
Werras and Altix IVs are my two favourite viewfinder cameras, Werras because (as you say) the aesthetics are great (the mechanics are too, by the way!), the Altixes because they're small and quiet.

E2A. I'm currently trying to teach myself how to fix and service the simpler (Leica-type) cloth focal plane shutters. Fortunately I can trespass on friedaweed's territory and buy cheap eastern european cameras with stuck shutters for pennies and experiment on them. :D
 
Zenie

I am sure that an olive coloured coat would suit you. Give a miss to the bobble hat though, this is a 50s camera not a 60s one. I think a beret might be about right. The hard bit would whether or not to accessorise based on the colour of the camera or of the leather case. Perhaps the case, and you could go for brown shoes. As for jewellery keep it simple - and perhaps silver rather than gold - not sure though here. A simple gold watch with a leather strap would go.

First you need the camera though here is the link to the ebay page
 
ViolentPanda said:
Which Beirette model is it, Grasshopper? 'Cos you might not need screwdrivers or tequila, but rather some naptha (Zippo lighter fluid) and a very well-ventilated workspace.

E2A: Can you post a pic, as some of them don't have model nos, IIRC.
This is the one master.;)
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Beirette VSN. It has a 2.8 Meritar lens in it. 3 rings on the lens. Aperture, shutter speed and fixed distance focus.
Shutter is between the lens elements and something is loose and rattling in there:mad: Can't find my precision screwdriver kit atm so I'll prob strip it down tomorrow. Any tips on what not to touch, things to look out for?

Thanks dude
Frieda
 
friedaweed said:
This is the one master.;)
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Beirette VSN. It has a 2.8 Meritar lens in it. 3 rings on the lens. Aperture, shutter speed and fixed distance focus.
Shutter is between the lens elements and something is loose and rattling in there:mad: Can't find my precision screwdriver kit atm so I'll prob strip it down tomorrow. Any tips on what not to touch, things to look out for?

Thanks dude
Frieda

Good, Meritars are usually triplets, which means 2 elements in front, one behind the shutter. You'll want to work with the aperture wide open. Oh, and touch NOWT with your bare fingers, only with tools, swabs or if you're wearing surgical or cotton gloves.

I have this little procedure I follow that stands me in very good stead. It basically consists of taking a picture (much easier with the advent of digital cameras, believe me!) of every part you unfasten/remove in situ, so you know where it goes back.

As your focus is fixed you don't have any worries about accidently altering the focal length while fiddling with the lens elements, which is a bonus.

I usually start with removing the rear element. You'll probably notice that the retaining ring has two slits in it, opposite each other. You're supposed to use a lens wrench (about £20 minimum from micro-tools or similar) but I've had success using a double thickness of plastic loyalty card cut to size. removing the rear element will give you access to the rear of the shutter blades. You may be able to ascertain what's causing the problem from here. IF a shutter blade is kinked then you're probably buggered, as the shutter would have to have been fairly borkled already for it to jam hard enough to kink a blade, but it may be that lubricant from the escapement of the shutter has migrated to the shutter blades, and this can be ascertained by gently swabbing the blades either with surgical swabs or with the paper stemmed cotton buds with naptha (the naptha will dissolve the plastic on plastic-stemmed cotton buds), attempting to operate the shutter as you do so. If this doesn't free up the shutter you're going to have to take the front lens cells out and do the same with the front of the shutter blades. The 2 front lens elements may be linked together as a single unit which makes removing/replacing them easier, but even if they're not they should come out easily once you remove any retaining ring and/or grub screws.

If none of this works you may have to remove the shutter cover plate (very carefully, over a tray to catch any pinging springy bits is my recommendation) and work out whether the escapement is either jammed (decades of wear and tear can rioughen surfaces so that they bind, solution is to remove and "polish" them smooth again) or crudded up with dried/gummed lubricant (in which case you may have to strip down the lens assembly until all you have is the shutter, and then soak/flush it with naptha until it frees up.

If you have to do the naptha thing, then when you relubricate bear in mid that you want literally a pin-end of watch & clock oil at the lubrication point (usually the main pivot in the mechanism). Any more than that and it'll migrate again.

Oh, and give the lens elements a clean with Kodak cleaning fluid and tissues while you're about it!! :D
 
ViolentPanda said:
Good, Meritars are usually triplets, which means 2 elements in front...

Oh, and give the lens elements a clean with Kodak cleaning fluid and tissues while you're about it!! :D

Post saved for future.

Nice one.

Thanks.
 
ViolentPanda said:
I have this little procedure I follow that stands me in very good stead. :D
Fucking blinding post mate:D
OK i did all that and guess what.
I fuckin fixed it:D

Well almost.

On the aperture ring there's a piece that slips into the aperture mechanism and moves the lever to open and close the leaves yeah. Well where the plastic aperture ring knobbly bit sits either side of the lever one side had snapped so the aperture mech could only be moved one way. The offending piece of plastic had been floating around and either I'd knocked the shutter leaves off getting it out or it had forced them loose.

Anyway I've reassembled and everything works but i cant change the aperture without using some tweezers.

I'll be reckoning to keep this for spares anyway as the case is Donald ducked. The lens is in great nick though and all the rest runs smoothly.

It was a great thing to do anyways and made much easier by your post.

Muchas grassy ass comrade;) :cool:
 
my collection of camera's is gathering dust
kodak brownie 127 was my first camera, it cost 30 shillings and sixpence
i'll post some pics of the collection later.
 
ramjamclub said:
my collection of camera's is gathering dust
kodak brownie 127 was my first camera, it cost 30 shillings and sixpence
i'll post some pics of the collection later.
That would be cool:cool:
 
friedaweed said:
:mad:
(((((Zenie))))))


Yer :(

Could have done without that really!!

Still these things are meant to try us, just means I wont be able to buy any shit this month :rolleyes:

ramjamclub said:
my collection of camera's is gathering dust
kodak brownie 127 was my first camera, it cost 30 shillings and sixpence
i'll post some pics of the collection later.

safe!

if you're ever having a throw out like ;)
 
friedaweed said:
Fucking blinding post mate:D
OK i did all that and guess what.
I fuckin fixed it:D

Well almost.

On the aperture ring there's a piece that slips into the aperture mechanism and moves the lever to open and close the leaves yeah. Well where the plastic aperture ring knobbly bit sits either side of the lever one side had snapped so the aperture mech could only be moved one way. The offending piece of plastic had been floating around and either I'd knocked the shutter leaves off getting it out or it had forced them loose.

Anyway I've reassembled and everything works but i cant change the aperture without using some tweezers.

I'll be reckoning to keep this for spares anyway as the case is Donald ducked. The lens is in great nick though and all the rest runs smoothly.

It was a great thing to do anyways and made much easier by your post.

Muchas grassy ass comrade;) :cool:


No probs, glad I could help. :)

BTW, it's possible to "rebuild" broken plastic bits using standard model-makers' butyrate or acrylic sheet and a dab of "plasticweld" or similar MEK-based glue, if you absolutely have to (I say that because it can be fiddly as fuck)!
 
ViolentPanda said:
No probs, glad I could help. :)

BTW, it's possible to "rebuild" broken plastic bits using standard model-makers' butyrate or acrylic sheet and a dab of "plasticweld" or similar MEK-based glue, if you absolutely have to (I say that because it can be fiddly as fuck)!
Well the wee man is walking round the house with the camera round his neck now so i don't think I'll get near it again.:mad: If he follows in his sisters footsteps though it'll be a nice starting camera for him. (Even though it'll be stuck on f2.8:D ).
The best thing was getting inside it and seeing how it all works and understanding the order in which its assembled. I still had that nervy feeling 'going in' just like the time when my dad caught me with the back off the beta-max toploader:D

Cheers again comrade. I shall let you know when I'm taking Joderal Bank apart :D
 
This is going for a fiver. I'm very tempted, but I'm still waiting for five cameras to arrive that really should already have arrived. I'm beginning to wonder.

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Stanley Edwards said:
This is going for a fiver. I'm very tempted, but I'm still waiting for five cameras to arrive that really should already have arrived. I'm beginning to wonder.

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I'm watching it;) :D

ETA he's got a nice Fed 4 + Industar 61 but his postage costs are a bit steep. Given he's charging the same to send that russian tank at the end of his listings;)
 
friedaweed said:
Well the wee man is walking round the house with the camera round his neck now so i don't think I'll get near it again.:mad:
To paraphrase the Jesuits; "give me the child before the age of ten and I'll give you the photographer", eh? :D
If he follows in his sisters footsteps though it'll be a nice starting camera for him. (Even though it'll be stuck on f2.8:D ).
If nothing else it'll give him an understanding of shallow DoF!
The best thing was getting inside it and seeing how it all works and understanding the order in which its assembled. I still had that nervy feeling 'going in' just like the time when my dad caught me with the back off the beta-max toploader:D
I've opened up dozens of cameras over the years and I still feel like that every time I start "surgery"!
Most recent patients were an early 1920s-vintage Voightlander Vag (plate camera) with a sticky shutter and a tiny bit of fungus on the inside of the front lens element (would you believe that Ponds cold cream is the best way of removing lens fungus?) and an late 1950s-vintage Agilux Agifold Mk3 rollfilm r/f folder (dirty lens elements where the non-reflective blacking inside the lens cells had flaked away and stuck like dust to the lens surfaces). Both now function perfectly, and the Agifold went overseas with my godson a few weeks ago!
Cheers again comrade. I shall let you know when I'm taking Joderal Bank apart :D
Hurrah!
 
Stanley Edwards said:
This is going for a fiver...

It went for a fiver! What a beautiful little thing for five squids.


I'm not bidding on anymore until everything has arrived. If anyone is interested there is a beautiful Yashica 35GT with telephoto and wide angle adapters (not lenses) that looks like it's going to sell for £25 tomorrow. Lovely cameras very underrated. The last Yashica GT outfit I was prepared to pay £80 for went for well over £100.

Or, perhaps I'll go for it myself.
 
Stanley Edwards said:
It went for a fiver! What a beautiful little thing for five squids.


I'm not bidding on anymore until everything has arrived. If anyone is interested there is a beautiful Yashica 35GT with telephoto and wide angle adapters (not lenses) that looks like it's going to sell for £25 tomorrow. Lovely cameras very underrated. The last Yashica GT outfit I was prepared to pay £80 for went for well over £100.

Or, perhaps I'll go for it myself.
Fuck off stanley i was trying to keep that one quiet:mad:
I will have that one;) There's no way that that will go under £50;)
 
friedaweed said:
Fuck off stanley i was trying to keep that one quiet:mad:
I will have that one;) There's no way that that will go under £50;)

Just bear in mind the battery issue. The adaptors work well, definitely cheaper over a couple of years than buying Wein cells at £6 a throw.
 
ViolentPanda said:
Just bear in mind the battery issue. The adaptors work well, definitely cheaper over a couple of years than buying Wein cells at £6 a throw.
Yup this ones got one with it;) It looks like a nice piece of kit this one so if Stanley can keep himself busy with what he's already got:mad: :D I'd like this one as a back-up to my digi for when I'm in the mountains.:cool:
 
friedaweed said:
Yup this ones got one with it;) It looks like a nice piece of kit this one so if Stanley can keep himself busy with what he's already got:mad: :D I'd like this one as a back-up to my digi for when I'm in the mountains.:cool:

Looks good. I won't be bidding, but I notice a second bidder has bid.


e2a; Oh, it's hotting up already. Initial bidder has countered at £31. That was quick!
 
Stanley Edwards said:
Looks good. I won't be bidding, but I notice a second bidder has bid.


e2a; Oh, it's hotting up already. Initial bidder has countered at £31. That was quick!
Got a feeling this might fetch a fait few bob by the end of bidding:(
 
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