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retraining in law

I'd like to be a kind of "good" lawyer like one who represents people who don't have much money, rather than a ruthless corporate litigation lawyer or whatever.

One of my mum's friends retrained as a solicitor jn her 40s, she ended up doing contracts and stuff for some company though so good hours/money but no exciting court room stuff.

that sounds PERFECT tbh.

You've changed from that young idealist.
 
I kind of fancy something new, reached a bit of a dead end in my current role... and my brain finds legal stuff weirdly interesting.
It is interesting. I think it's a kind of magic :o using the same everyday words we use to chat to our friends to create binding obligations.

but really, is every single job linked to law totally shit?
Absolutely not, although most (not all) of them are not in the slightest bit family friendly.

Get used to always thinking worst case scenario. Anxiety is a bedfellow.
God, that's true. Never joined those dots.
 
It is interesting. I think it's a kind of magic :oops: using the same everyday words we use to chat to our friends to create binding obligations.


Absolutely not, although most (not all) of them are not in the slightest bit family friendly.


God, that's true. Never joined those dots.
And that is why legal jobs in the civil service used to be so very popular among women. The civil service had good policies on maternity and family friendly working.

Still has, compared to some employers, but not as good as it used to be.
 
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but really, is every single job linked to law totally shit?

#notalllawyers

I'm a lawyer but not a solicitor. Patent attorney. Love it but you need a science degree. The hours aren't long but the professional exams are difficult. Another option is trade mark attorney (for which you don't need a science degree).

Becoming a Chartered Trade Mark Attorney

Do you have a degree, what's it in, and what grade did you get?
 
#notalllawyers

I'm a lawyer but not a solicitor. Patent attorney. Love it but you need a science degree. The hours aren't long but the professional exams are difficult. Another option is trade mark attorney (for which you don't need a science degree).

Becoming a Chartered Trade Mark Attorney

Do you have a degree, what's it in, and what grade did you get?
english, 2:1... then many years experience working in publishing... im wondering if i could link them
 
english, 2:1... then many years experience working in publishing... im wondering if i could link them

Commercial experience is always useful. Degree ticks the box. Are you ready for 5 years of exams?
 
Isn't it virtually impossible for late career changers to get articles or whatever it's called these days?

Anecdotally all I can say is many years a go i went to the wedding of a mate and was stuck on a table full of lawyers and their partners. They were all probably earning shed loads and I know one of them now is a QC. But they all seemed pretty miserable. The QC did have a nice house in Clapham though, last time I saw him.

But don't let any of that put you off.. :)
 
As an aside I also hear there is a nationwide chronic shortage of psychiatrists. It takes about 10+ years to train up.. but might be another option.
 
Isn't it virtually impossible for late career changers to get articles or whatever it's called these days?

Anecdotally all I can say is many years a go i went to the wedding of a mate and was stuck on a table full of lawyers and their partners. They were all probably earning shed loads and I know one of them now is a QC. But they all seemed pretty miserable. The QC did have a nice house in Clapham though, last time I saw him.

But don't let any of that put you off.. :)
hm i reckon I'm pretty sure I don't want to be a "lawyer" as such, from this thread....
 
Neither of the people I know who decided they wanted to change career into law managed to get a training contract afterwards. Hundreds of applications for each position are not good odds.
 
Neither of the people I know who decided they wanted to change career into law managed to get a training contract afterwards. Hundreds of applications for each position are not good odds.

An old colleague had to pay a firm (not officially obviously) to take his wife on on a training contract!
 

From what he said it's pretty common too; he'd had the same offer from a couple of different people at his mosque. Was £2k iirc, he justified it as either that or the money for her degree went to waste.

Haven't spoken to him for a few years, so not sure how she's doing now - will have a Facebook stalk!
 
I'd hate to be a solicitor, but I was on my way (80% post-grad CPE completed, top of my class) to becoming a barrister. Personal tragedy struck, so that idea was fucked, and I still regret it. You have to have a mind that works a certain way and mine... does. Or did, at least. :hmm:

Having said that, I'd probably have crashed and burned when it got to pupilage stage. The Inns all have bizarre little rituals and formailties and Bullingdonesque style bollocks. I probably would have yelled ¡No Pasarán! in the wrong person's face at some point and stormed out. :D

I would, however, gently suggest that successfully disputing parking tickets may not be a particularly reliable indicator of suitability or aptitude.
 
My employer has an in-house legal team, however the last two people on training contracts left the company as soon as they could after completing the traineeship. They now only take fully trained people even for paralegal work, because they can basically get a fully trained lawyer for comparative peanuts due to a glut of lawyers looking for work.

My previous employer said they would pay for me to do a law degree. Turned out my boss at the time was a lying toad...

I Do contracts and IP work. It gets a bit dull sometimes.
 
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