I heard (in a kind of urban legend, no actual evidence way) that pork had been classified as a vegetable by some Buddhist sects so that the monks could eat it.I learned this when I was a teenager living in Chinatown in Sydney and learning to cook. When I asked a chinese woman why they would put pork in seafood dumplings she said that it wasn't really meat.(I think she meant that it didn't *count* as it is used widely as a *filler* for other flavourings)
Restaurants mislabelling and making you eat stuff you don't eat
- Thread starter AnnO'Neemus
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Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
My ex b-i-l won't eat pork - he's Rastafarian.
Stupid pork swervers should forgo something less tasty, like locusts or tuna
Stupid pork swervers should forgo something less tasty, like locusts or tuna
Geri
wasn't born to follow
Vegetarianism?
I knew someone would say that!
But a vegetarian wouldn't order a pheasant pie.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Taste.
They once owned a pet pig.
Don't eat red meat - said to sit undigested in the intestines etc.
The fact they wallow in their own filth alegidly (they do wash the meat though you idiots)
The smell reminds them of when their plane crashed in the mountains and they had to eat the bodies of dead passengers.
er i'm running out of ideas
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Walls have ears, especially their pies and sausages, as we used to say when I was a kid!
That presupposes that you know what's in the sausage meat, doesn't it?what I do is buy sausage meat and make my own...that way I know exactly what they are
Well deep seated cultural reasons I guess, which probably come from the belief that pigs are dirty or are more likely to give you a tapeworm/some other nasty.
zenie
>^^<
Lots of people are told pigs are unclean, according to their culture.
Also pork can contain parasites and worms!!
It's the internet. You expect me to emote with only the small amount of interest the subject actually has for me?
I couldn't really care less or expect you to do anything
DRINK?
bummed by karmachameleon
google pork and parasites...not sure as to the exact details though back in the day and more recently in West Indies etc people caught some f*cking nasty parasites etc some that are fatal etc....not such a problem now if properly cooked though the whole notion has filtered down and people won't touch it
TRICHINOSIS
This is an affection produced by the trichina spiralis, a minute worm derived from the hog. Man is infected by eating raw or rare pork containing the encysted larva. These pass to the small intestine where they grow into adult worms. The females migrate into the lymphatic spaces and bring forth their young which are carried by the lymph or blood to the muscles where they develop into encysted larvae.
Symptoms: There are no marked symptoms unless the infection is severe. In well-marked cases, digestive disturbances — colicky pains, nausea, vomiting, and much diarrhea — appear on the second or third day. These represent the body's effort to expel the invader.
In from one to two weeks symptoms of acute inflammation of the muscles (myostitis) develop. These include severe pain and soreness in the muscles, edema, especially of the face, profuse sweating, and remittent or intermittent fever. Hoarseness from involvement of the larynx and difficult breathing from involvement of the diaphragm, are often seen. In severe infestations, delirium and stupor are common. The symptoms often resemble those of typhoid fever. Trichinous capsules, impregnated with lime, are visible to the naked eye.
Prognosis: Favorable cases recover in from two to eight weeks, depending on the number of worms ingested. Early diarrhea is favorable. The death rate ranges from 5 to 30 per cent.
Care of the Patient: Efforts to poison the worms are not effective. Opiates to relieve pain account for much of the mortality. No food should be given from the appearance of the first symptom until all acute symptoms have ended. Thereafter feed and live to build up good health.
Geri
wasn't born to follow
I thought the 'unclean' thing came from the bible?
zenie
>^^<
Perhaps originally, it doesn't mean you have to be religious to follow it if your culture does though
It probably does - Christianity, Judaism and Islam are 'of the same book'.
My mum's friend (who's in her 40s) was habitually given worming tablets as a child because they ate a lot of rare pork. Apparently this wasn't uncommon.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
The last time I was home, in October, there was rabbit pie. They don't have a set menu as such, it's an independent place, not a chain, so it's very dependent on local produce and whatever their butcher can sort them out with. Like I said, last time I was home I had rabbit pie, and there wasn't a piece of chorizo in sight.
I then went away, and have recently returned home and the end of November, and this was the first time I've had the pheasant pie there, so I don't know how often they've served it but like I said, sporadic supplies, not a set menu, so they've not been serving that dish for the past three months.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
That was the point LTC, I am muslim.
I hope you're not keen on dim-sum because chinese "seafood" dumplings can contain pork.
I learned this when I was a teenager living in Chinatown in Sydney and learning to cook. When I asked a chinese woman why they would put pork in seafood dumplings she said that it wasn't really meat.
Take, for instance, this recipe for Prawn Wontons
Indeed.
Pretty much all yum cha (dim sum,) dishes contain some pork, mostly minced - and even the "vegetarian" dishes will have a hint of pork (often still maybe 5% minced pork,) even if it's just the fat, along with the chicken or beef stock the veg' is cooked in.
Woof
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Well, the staff and other customers (who are kind of neighbours) were all very sympathetic about it, none of them reacted as strongly 'anti' as you, none of them said I was overreacting or 'going mental'. So I think I'll go by the actions and reactions of people who were actually there, if it's all the same to you.
And as I said, I know the owner. And as she's a very considerate and lovely person I think she'd want to know if there was any problem with her business' customers, even leaving aside the personal element, the fact I know her, it's only good business sense for a business owner to learn about customer dissatisfaction and problems and to respond to them. So, I think I'll leave it to her to judge as to whether my raising a problem I had with her business was appropriate for me to mention to the business owner.
scifisam
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It's not too much to expect a place that makes money from selling food to go to the trouble of mentioning which meat is in the dish. It's not as if it's difficult for them to do, and it's not as if there aren't many Muslims, Jews and so on in the UK who'd appreciate the info.
Of course, you can just go up and ask, but personally I find it a bit embarrassing and the answer isn't always right anyway. I was once halfway through my main course when the waiter came over and sad he'd got it wrong - it was made with wheat flour after all. He seemed to think it didn't matter at all, the utter fuckwit, even though I'd explained it to him before the meal.
sheothebudworths
Up the bum - no babies!!!
twistedAM
Left Of The Dial
Sadly, I've given up eating in veggie/wholefood restaurants and cafes as I have an allergy to yellow split peas and the typical hippie/crustie fuckwit server hasn't bothered checking with the hippie/crustie cook.
snadge
metal alchemist
yep, rabbit pie usually is made with pork products. LOL.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
And no eating establishment has any responsibility whatsoever for describing and labelling food correctly? :Rolleyes:
And if you'd read the thread, you would have noted that this particular establishment usually goes out of its way to accommodate dietary quirks, like the vegans and veggies and labels stuff appropriately usually.
Also, the staff admitted to me that it was an accidental oversight on their part, and that they would ordinarily have described it as including chorizo, but they ran out of space on that part of the blackboard.
So, yes, I had become perhaps a wee bit complacent in this particular local neighbourhood establishment in a way I wouldn't normally be in any other restaurant that was a bigger chain or that I frequented less frequently, and I didn't know what their usual policy was regarding food descriptions and accommodating various dietary requirements.
No worries, and I'll continue to opine about posts on a public messageboard, whether or not it's all the same to you.
I've think you've been very unreasonable, you don't, it's no biggie.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Would you say the same thing to someone who was a principled and confirmed non-meat-eater for nearly two decades, but found bacon in their omelette, or their broccoli quiche? Would you say they're not a PROPER non-meat-eater?
sheothebudworths
Up the bum - no babies!!!
I know!
But never called 'Rabbit and bacon pie'!
I'd just make sure I asked in future Ann.
Easy peasy, problem over.
sheothebudworths
Up the bum - no babies!!!
Clearly a good idea to make sure you always ask then.
snadge
metal alchemist
LOL, you drink alcohol....yet you are a "principled" muslim, I don't think so.
And your example stinks, why on earth would bacon be in a broccoli quiche? ( which isn't really vegetarian anyway but hey ho, you have a non point to make)
