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Fisher_Gate said:
I've always said the IWCA have had good rather than 'respectable' results in the three or four wards they've contested in Oxford. They've had rather less success anywhere else - and since they contested the London Mayor in May 2004 (0.5% of the vote), I don't think they've contested any elections other than those in Oxford - anyone else know of any? Certainly there's nothing on their website after 2003 to indicate it.

So I "dunno what happened to IWCA though" either.
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Gosh. Is that the sound of a nerve being hit..? :D

Think you'll find the IWCA did rather well in the wards they contested in London in, I think, 2002. And if the council elections in London are every four years (as I seem to recall?) well, there probably hasn't really been a great deal to contest there since.

Anyway, let's not derail your thread any further.
 
Sue said:
Gosh. Is that the sound of a nerve being hit..? :D

Think you'll find the IWCA did rather well in the wards they contested in London in, I think, 2002. And if the council elections in London are every four years (as I seem to recall?) well, there probably hasn't really been a great deal to contest there since.

Anyway, let's not derail your thread any further.
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Quite right lets not derail the thread. Though it does bring to a mind a previous thread where various SWP/Respect luminaries including Fishergate (?} sought to explain how the hundreds of thousands spunked by Respect was generated - by 'local branches organising curry nights and so forth' was the explanation offered.
Now that the call for those self same branches to actually be established has been made, dosen't it rather make a nonsense of of the previous line?
 
Joe Reilly said:
Quite right lets not derail the thread. Though it does bring to a mind a previous thread where various SWP/Respect luminaries including Fishergate (?} sought to explain how the hundreds of thousands spunked by Respect was generated - by 'local branches organising curry nights and so forth' was the explanation offered.
Now that the call for those self same branches to actually be established has been made, dosen't it rather make a nonsense of of the previous line?
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It's a lot easier to have a curry than set up a branch of an organisation with minutes, regular meeting, communication, agenda...

More fun too.. (burp)
 
Around half the signatures are ISG or their former members (read periphery), so this is yet another clear attempt by this group to influence the monolithic SWP, but without acutally politically engaging them. Complete waste of time. The SWP are in a down-turn, the Anti-War movement proved that, and the fact that some sections of the trot movement are forced to work together shows how desperate they really are.

The only reason the SSP worked, where as the Socialist Alliance failed was because its key component could look beyond its own front door and actually work with others on an equal basis, the SWP cant and nor can I ever forsee it doing with other fragments of the left.
 
mutley said:
It's a lot easier to have a curry than set up a branch of an organisation with minutes, regular meeting, communication, agenda...

More fun too.. (burp)
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'Fun' yeah right, for a moment there I forgot what a joining a political party was about. So while 'whitey' is having fun, according to Respect propaganda, Muslims the 'new Jews of Europe' are facing extermination at home and abroad? Why should anyone take anything you say seriously when you don't?
 
Joe Reilly said:
'Fun' yeah right, for a moment there I forgot what a joining a political party was about. So while 'whitey' is having fun, according to Respect propaganda, Muslims the 'new Jews of Europe' are facing extermination at home and abroad? Why should anyone take anything you say seriously when you don't?
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What makes you think it was just white people eating the curry? (or even a majority?)
Oh and 'extermination at home and abroad'? Really? What Respect leaflet was that on?
 
Sue said:
Gosh. Is that the sound of a nerve being hit..? :D

Think you'll find the IWCA did rather well in the wards they contested in London in, I think, 2002. And if the council elections in London are every four years (as I seem to recall?) well, there probably hasn't really been a great deal to contest there since.

Anyway, let's not derail your thread any further.
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There have been a couple of bye elections (one in London, one in Glasgow) since 2002 which the IWCA contested ie

Bunhill Ward, Islington 23/01/03

Lib Dem 797 44.9%
Lab 412 23.2%
IWCA 398 22.4%
Con 111 6.2%
Green 57 3.2%

Strathbungo ward, Glasgow 01/05/03

Lab 625 24.9%
SNP 606 24.2%
IWCA 479 19.1%
SSP 409 16.3%
Lib Dem 223 8.9%
Con 166 6.6%

Going back to the 2002 elections the IWCA contested seats in Oxford, Islington, Havering and Hackney. As I understand it the IWCA no longer exists in Hackney. It has been replaced by a group called Hackney Independent who contested the Hoxton bye election on 05/05/05 with the following result:

Lab 1443 44.3%
Con 649 19.6%
Lib Dem 586 17.7%
Hackney Independent 310 9.4%
Green 201 6.1%
Respect 113 3.4%

BarryB
 
BarryB said:
There ...

BarryB
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Thanks - we don't need to derail the thread with old IWCA election stuff, the point is no-one's contradicted my guess that they haven't contested any elections outside Oxford since the London Mayor in 2004. Promise I'll set up a new thread on the May local elections this weekend with details of what seats are up and who's standing :)
 
The statement is now on a very rudimentary website:

www.respectpartyforum.org

You can peruse the statement and ask to join the mailing list.

The National Secretary of Respect has expressed concern about the use of the name 'Respect' in the title, but it has been explained that this is to ensure that it is widely understood that this group is an integral part of Respect and only open to those who are members of and committed to building Respect. Such use of terminology is already commonplace in other labour movement organisations without problem, eg 'Campaign for Labour Party Democracy', 'Unison United Left' etc, where the name of the organisation appears in the title. The initial sponsors will be discussing the mode of operation of the Respect Party Forum with the officers' group of Respect.
 
Interesting trend this, do you guys really take this seriously:

Any organisation with MPs and councillors, which presents itself as a political alternative at elections, has to have basic democratic structures, procedures, and accountability if it is to go anywhere at all. The other pluralist left organisations in Europe function as parties in this way.
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mattkidd12 said:
Fuck's sake, our branch set up a web-board forum! :mad: Splitters!
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The two are complementary, though the sponsors of the statement of objectives of the Respect Party Forum were not aware of the respectforum website initiative at the time of composing their statement. The web-board forum is open to anyone to post to (presumably you have to be in Respect) and is a forum for debate; the Respect Party Forum advocates a particular approach to building and democratising Respect.
 
The web-board forum is open to anyone to post to (presumably you have to be in Respect) and is a forum for debate; the Respect Party Forum advocates a particular approach to building and democratising Respect.
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So surely only one is necessary :confused: I think the two are in contact with each other now anyway.
 
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