respect (non galloway) come 3rd in leyton
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cockneyrebel
New Member
Well they're in the same bag as the rest of the far left at this moment in time then.
Actually it was the swp press release and the respect press release - which were excellent and needed no further comment from me.
replied on the other thread. (Btw you are not supposed to debate across threads) When you return there perhaps you and gobshite1 can comment on why galloway is so selective about which minority languages he supports. He did sound a bit Griffinesque recently - very...ahem.....British nationalist
have you been reading the Urban how to win arguments bit here or what?
http://www.urban75.com/Mag/argument.html
particularly point 6 eh, ' Always refer to yourself in the plural, as though you are speaking on behalf of the whole newsgroup: "all we are trying to say is..." sounds much more pompous than "all I am trying to say is...". When other people join in the thread, the rules are simple: if they side with you, follow-up immediately and enthusiastically, congratulating them on their courage; if they side with your opponent, ignore the tossers.'
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
have you been reading the Urban how to win arguments bit here or what?
http://www.urban75.com/Mag/argument.html
particularly point 6 eh, ' Always refer to yourself in the plural, as though you are speaking on behalf of the whole newsgroup: "all we are trying to say is..." sounds much more pompous than "all I am trying to say is...". When other people join in the thread, the rules are simple: if they side with you, follow-up immediately and enthusiastically, congratulating them on their courage; if they side with your opponent, ignore the tossers.'
I meant Udo expressed surprise too. That made two of us, ie "we".
I often use the third person plural when talking about one person to avoid gender bias, such as they their etc rather than he/she his/hers. I never use first person plural to describe one person, aka the 'royal we'.
a piss poor result in what should be their best territory
yeah right......
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
The Leyton result was not a fair start - it was worse than Respect achieved in the same ward in 2004 by a long way. And in circumstances that should have been much more favourable - disgraced Labour candidate, Labour/LibDem coalition in the Town Hall, well known local candidate.
results were as follows -
candidate party votes percentage
Winnifred Smith Lib Dem 1,360 (56.45%)
Khevyn Limbajee Labour 675 (28.02%)
Carole Vincent Respect 176 (7.31%)
Edwin Northover Cons 108 (4.48%)
William Measure Green 90 (3.74%)
Tulketh ward, Preston
candidate party votes percentage
Peter Rankin Labour 423 (34.25%)
Rick Seymour Lib Dem 400 (32.39%)
Paul Balshaw Cons 292 (23.64%)
Barry Hill Respect 84 (6.80%)
Kizzi Murtagh Green 36 (2.91%)
even the Preston result was over 5%. These are good results particularly considering the very public split engineered by the gallowayistas
more detailed report in this weeks Socialist Worker -
Respect builds new local roots and creditable votes in by-elections
Respect campaigners gained creditable results in two council by-elections in Waltham Forest, east London, and Preston on Thursday of last week.
Respect member Carole Vincent came third in Leyton ward in Waltham Forest winning 7.31 percent of the vote and beating the Tories into fourth place. Labour lost the seat to the Liberal Democrats.
Respect’s Barry Hill polled 6.8 percent in the Tulketh ward in Preston. Labour held the seat by 23 votes from the Lib Dems.
In both areas, Respect members were contesting the ward for the first time.
Comparison with the May elections last year, before the split in Respect, shows these results to be in the mid-range of Respect’s election results.
Last May Respect stood in 48 wards and gained three first places, seven second places, 15 third places, nine fourth places and nine places at fifth or below. The third and fourth places in Leyton and Preston are in the middle of this range.
Campaigners in both wards say they have made serious inroads in building new local networks.
Carole Vincent told Socialist Worker, “The result showed that people don’t trust Labour to run the council. We gave all the parties a run for their money.
“We now have a base to build on for the London Assembly elections in May. We are going back to see people who pledged to support us and those who asked for our help – such as young people who have no leisure centre and parents whose children have special needs.
“I want to thank everyone who came to help in the ward. We made sure people know what Respect stands for.”
Barry Hill told Socialist Worker, “We had a very good campaign with a lot of enthusiastic volunteers coming to help from across the north west of England.
“A number of people who had never even heard of us before went out and voted for us.
“Myself and Respect councillor Michael Lavalette campaigned with some residents of a tower block over their rights. They won’t forget us.
“We are beginning to make a real difference in the area.
I feel we have done some good for Respect and for the socialist movement in general.”
http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=14193
Respect builds new local roots and creditable votes in by-elections
Respect campaigners gained creditable results in two council by-elections in Waltham Forest, east London, and Preston on Thursday of last week.
Respect member Carole Vincent came third in Leyton ward in Waltham Forest winning 7.31 percent of the vote and beating the Tories into fourth place. Labour lost the seat to the Liberal Democrats.
Respect’s Barry Hill polled 6.8 percent in the Tulketh ward in Preston. Labour held the seat by 23 votes from the Lib Dems.
In both areas, Respect members were contesting the ward for the first time.
Comparison with the May elections last year, before the split in Respect, shows these results to be in the mid-range of Respect’s election results.
Last May Respect stood in 48 wards and gained three first places, seven second places, 15 third places, nine fourth places and nine places at fifth or below. The third and fourth places in Leyton and Preston are in the middle of this range.
Campaigners in both wards say they have made serious inroads in building new local networks.
Carole Vincent told Socialist Worker, “The result showed that people don’t trust Labour to run the council. We gave all the parties a run for their money.
“We now have a base to build on for the London Assembly elections in May. We are going back to see people who pledged to support us and those who asked for our help – such as young people who have no leisure centre and parents whose children have special needs.
“I want to thank everyone who came to help in the ward. We made sure people know what Respect stands for.”
Barry Hill told Socialist Worker, “We had a very good campaign with a lot of enthusiastic volunteers coming to help from across the north west of England.
“A number of people who had never even heard of us before went out and voted for us.
“Myself and Respect councillor Michael Lavalette campaigned with some residents of a tower block over their rights. They won’t forget us.
“We are beginning to make a real difference in the area.
I feel we have done some good for Respect and for the socialist movement in general.”
http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=14193
It seems that Carole Vincent doesent realise that its a Labour/Lib Dem coalition that runs Waltham Forest.
Its nonsense for her to say that SWP Respect "gave all the parties a run for their money" as 92.69% of those who voted did not vote for them. Waltham Forest Council has made many cutbacks to their services so their was a good opportunity for her to get a vote at least in double figures. But despite that fact that the Lib Dems are complicit in the Councils cutbacks and the Tories will never get anywhere in Leyton she failed to get a good vote.
BarryB
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
This must really piss the Greens off, getting less than RESPECT(SWP), especially after the sectarian Trot split.
This must really piss the Greens off, getting less than RESPECT(SWP), especially after the sectarian Trot split.
Made even worse in that they had a good candidate.
BarryB
chilango
Ha! Ha! Armageddon
This must really piss the Greens off, getting less than RESPECT(SWP), especially after the sectarian Trot split.
Pisses me off.
But only a tiny bit.
But I do wonder whether the greens have a record of builiding there, or if these were "paper" candiadtes, or simply the first step towards a longer term strategy.
thats not the way the beeb sees it -
"In another surprise outcome of the night, Respect Party candidate Carole Vincent, from Big Brother fame, came third with 176 votes, beating off both the Conservative representative Edwin Northover on 108 and Green Party supporter, William Measure on 90 votes."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/content...walthamforest_leyton_byelection_feature.shtml
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
This is just clutching at straws. The fact is that you only got 7.31% of the vote in a very working class area despite :
the fact that the Labour/Lib Dem coalition are cutting services
the fact that the Tories and Greens are very weak in the area
the fact that your candidate was well known in the area and did not lack local press coverage
the fact that the area was swamped with SWP Respect members out leafleting and canvassing
BarryB
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
This is where the nasty authoritarian nature of your mode of correct thinking reveals itself for the insular and judgemental world that it is.
and is also based on the 'fact' that we need 5% across london to get a GLA seat. Not a bad result then...
glenquagmire
Rightwing NuLab apologist
If the demographics of Leyton Ward were replicated across London then you might have a chance then.
In fact, extrapolating from the Leyton result, I predict the GLA seats to be made up of 56% Lib Dems, 28% Labour, 7% Respect SWP with the Conservatives and Greens failing to get over the 5% threshold.
In fact, extrapolating from the Leyton result, I predict the GLA seats to be made up of 56% Lib Dems, 28% Labour, 7% Respect SWP with the Conservatives and Greens failing to get over the 5% threshold.
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
Which school did you do mathematics at? This indicates an equivalent 'Respect' vote of 2.86%, nowhere near 5%.
Calculation:
SWP won 7.2% in the by-election. In the vote for the GLA London member in 2004, "Respect - the Unity Coalition (George Galloway)" list won 11.5% of the vote in this ward.
So the 'conversion rate' from Respect 2004 to SWP 2008 was 7.2/11.5 = 62.6%. (So the SWP lost over 1 in 3 of the Respect vote.)
In the overall vote for the GLA List Member, Respect - the Unity Coalition (George Galloway) got 4.57%.
Extrapolate this based on the Leyton vote and you 62.6% x 4.57% = 2.86%
Pretty crap comrades. Not a good result at all.
And of course you will not be able to mobilise to campaign for you over 60 people for each of the 1,800 wards across the GLA area (that would need 100,000 SWP members and we all know you've only got '7,000' of them according to Martin Smith and they ain't all in London!).
And of course you'll lose the vast bulk of the Tower Hamlets and Newham votes to the Galloway list.
On the basis of this result, 2% would be a good GLA vote for the SWP.
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
Lol. What extrapolation techniques are you using? The Tories got 27.84% across the GLA last time.
Ah a bit of sectarian psephology from fishers price, with the PR element (which was the case with the last GLA elections) the vote will stand a good chance of increasing to their previous rate. Get to the back of the class (struggle)
meanwhile the only respect mayoral candidate continues to campaign -
http://www.respectcoalition.org/?ite=1787
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/feb/14/lindseygerman.
http://www.respectcoalition.org/?ite=1787
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/feb/14/lindseygerman.
chilango
Ha! Ha! Armageddon
glenquagmire
Rightwing NuLab apologist
See that thing disappearing into the distance behind you?
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
Ah a bit of sectarian psephology from fishers price, with the PR element (which was the case with the last GLA elections) the vote will stand a good chance of increasing to their previous rate. Get to the back of the class (struggle)
There's no evidence the PR system is likely to make a significant difference.
The vote in the 'first past the post' seat for the London Assembly (Dean Ryan) was actually higher proportionally than the vote in the List system, 12.5% versus 11.5%, although the vote for Respect - the Unity Coalition (George Galloway) in both elections was virtually the same 255 against 258 (slightly different turnout - some voters obviously got bored or didn't vote in the FPTP ballot).
In fact the evidence is that the Respect - the Unity Coalition (George Galloway) vote for the GLA was pretty much the same, whether it was under FPTP or List system. This is what you would expect, as Respect voters are not likely to be very swayed by tactical voting considerations.
The Euroelection vote was slightly higher at 275, and the Mayoral vote was lower at 209, which is again to be expected as George Galloway was the top candidate for the Euro-seat and Lindsey German was candidate (against Livingstone) for Mayor
All the votes however were significantly higher in both absolute and proportion terms against the SWP's performance last week. And none of the candidates in 2004 had been on Big Brother then.There's no such thing as 'sectarian psephology' by the way - facts are facts (unless you are John Rees).
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