Respect are dead - rejoice, rejoice :-)
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audiotech
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If it isn't it bloody should be!
Tbh the SWP at this point in history should be on their knees begging to be allowed into the SP.
The CPB may get upset.
butchersapron
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dennisr, is that per chance the "official socialist party" response to the unity letter from the SWP?
Any advance on whether you think this nonsense from that nonsense
is correct or not?
Fedayn
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The only thing that deosn't bode well is peoples recent, and frankly not-so-recent experience of the SWP and their machinations.
The recent history of the SWP is one of splitting and splitting again both internally on a smaller scale and externally in the Socialist Alliance, the SSP and Respect.
In Scotland, when 'Solidarity' was debating the name the SWP didn't even want Socialist in the name..... And now they want to be seen as the leaders in looking to build the 'socialist alternative'.
audiotech
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The BNP results in the Euro elections may well indeed "encourage those in the BNP to return to the streets".
Not saying they will of course, but as I said before some areas of the country are seeing the BNP on the streets every week, selling their vile message.
dennisr
the acceptable face
dennisr, is that per chance the "official socialist party" response to the unity letter from the SWP?
Why don't you ask the idiot Zeppo this question? - I defended Respect from a Tory idiot posters smears only to see some sectarian swappie twat trying to smear no2eu. He obviously has not read the new 'party line' for this week.
Given my organisation is already working in a united manner with key elements of the trade union left.
Frankly the SWP will have to do a damn sight more than post a letter on 'unity' out to others given recent history if anyone is going to be willing to touch them with a bargepole.
audiotech
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Splitting and splitting internally? When was this?
Many walked away from the Socialist Alliance before it was shut down. The Socialist Party and Red Action to name but two.
What's the point of having two parties in Scotland with Socialaist in the name? Solidarity is still a socialist organisation last time I looked?
As for Respect? The SWP was condemned by some for building it and then condemned for leaving it? Make up your fucking tiny minds.
butchersapron
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audiotech
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I've already given B) as an answer. You obviously are so blinded in your hatred of anything SWP you didn't see it.
For the record I am not in the SWP and voted No2Eu in the euro elections. Dennisr contributions are always good and valued.
I think the demise of Respect and SWP fiasco was bad but we all have to learn and get some humility. Remember the bad things that have happened but not be dictated by them. We need to move on - we do not necessarily have to agree on everything but need to make alliances.
The capitalists do not agree with each other but they seem more organised than the left in the UK.
I think the demise of Respect and SWP fiasco was bad but we all have to learn and get some humility. Remember the bad things that have happened but not be dictated by them. We need to move on - we do not necessarily have to agree on everything but need to make alliances.
The capitalists do not agree with each other but they seem more organised than the left in the UK.
audiotech
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The sincerity gushing from your use of the word "please" is vomit inducing.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I'd vote for George just to annoy Zachor.
butchersapron
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dennisr
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Zach has that effect on just about everyone here.
Maybe that's where the left calls for 'unity' have been getting it wrong.
We should all support a 'Zach for Prime Minister' campaign - it would only take a couple of months before the entire population of this country is onside - not Zachs side
dennisr
the acceptable face
Did I completely misunderstand you initial post then Zeppo?
Assumed it was a swipe at no2eu...
If so I apologise. Clearly recent history has begin to colour my opinion a bit too much...
audiotech
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I answered it knob.
Bernie Gunther
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Reminds me a bit of Al Fayed vs Neil Hamilton. Why can't they *both* lose?
audiotech
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The recent history of the left generally can apply here on the issue of 'unity'.
In thirty years of being active in left politics, I've been aware of the universal sectarianism that plagues all the left and this is always divisive and destructive.
grogwilton
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audiotech
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audiotech
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I made the exactly the same post on the thread where this question first came up. Unfortunately the knob appears to be following me around like a sad fuck.
chilango
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What about a 'call of unity' for what's left of it then?
Pretty irrelevent too. But you guys go for it!
Be much easier on you all if you liquidated into the SP though...
In a more serious tone, I note that the Refondazione and the Party of Italian Communists unity effort ended up picking just over 3% of the vote. Shocking and Unity didn't stop theri vote from halving.
Its pretty amazing that it lasted so long.
It was created based on both sides of the divide hatred of Israel rather than what united them which was absolutely zero.
And there are only so many times you can bang on about that.
Even Iraq and Afghanistan made little ground for common cause given that the Fundies wanted both places to become charming little hot spots of denying girls an education and chopping kids hands off for flying kites and whilst this SWP'types can be a bit noisey I dont think they have that much hate in them.
I did once read a report that claimed prior to a march SWP officials broached the topic with some of its lady activists to see if they would mind covering their heads before they marched alongside their Islamic comrades which made me chuckle but I concede it could just be an urban myth.
It was created based on both sides of the divide hatred of Israel rather than what united them which was absolutely zero.
And there are only so many times you can bang on about that.
Even Iraq and Afghanistan made little ground for common cause given that the Fundies wanted both places to become charming little hot spots of denying girls an education and chopping kids hands off for flying kites and whilst this SWP'types can be a bit noisey I dont think they have that much hate in them.
I did once read a report that claimed prior to a march SWP officials broached the topic with some of its lady activists to see if they would mind covering their heads before they marched alongside their Islamic comrades which made me chuckle but I concede it could just be an urban myth.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
white phosphorous is definitely best placed on UN schools, eh stoaty
LOL. I aint defending Israel but basing a British political party around a single common theme of disliking a small country in the middle east is not a recipie for success, no matter how well meaning that dislike is.
audiotech
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Pretty irrelevent too. But you guys go for it!
Be much easier on you all if you liquidated into the SP though...
In a more serious tone, I note that the Refondazione and the Party of Italian Communists unity effort ended up picking just over 3% of the vote. Shocking and Unity didn't stop theri vote from halving.
The decline of the left is seen in most of Europe. It declined before, but recovered. This time I have serious doubts it can ever recover?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Not sure i think that's an answer myself so much as a fobbing off as he knows it's simply nonsense. Best i can expect though.
