Discussion in 'protest, direct action and demos' started by PaulOK, Aug 4, 2018.
A quick look at the Solicitors Regulation Authority code of conduct suggests that it's mainly about solicitor-client relations and that solicitors aren't required to act like saints 24/7.
There is some stuff in there about "integrity" but it's questionable whether that applies as she wasn't acting as a solicitor in the bookshop afaik.
There's always a problem with this kind of thing. At one level I wish almost any hardship would befall these people, particularly given what their ideas have done to people throughout the world. But then again, I wouldn't want to see somebody on 'our side' sacked for going on some parallel demo/action.
I'm not sure if she is self-employed or works for an org but I would imagine being a high profile UKIP bod may have harmed her business a fair bit already - far more than hi jinx in a lefty bookshop would...
Definitely... Ultimately this is pretty much nonviolent direct action (especially having seen the footage). Im thinking though that if a bunch of solicitors have to make a judgement on it their ruling might throw up some interesting legal definitions of their action. Or not.
Jurys often let off much more destructive acts against military and arms manufacturers etc under an ends justify the means argument of saving lives.... The motivation behind this act is much more dodgy and that might come to be defined?
Any legal aggro will just play into the idea that the alt-right are free speech martyrs saying the unsayable. (And yes I do see the irony in that).
I do think if there is some initial exploration by plod that shits them up a bit that is fine though
Best outcome would be the various invaders having to make a public apology and payment to Bookmarks. It would be even better if their parties/organisations were made to do the payment, though there's not much chance that will happen. Used to be good when in these circumstances the aggrieved party could wave a cheque in front of the media, not sure what the modern version would be - an email confirming cash transfer? Not as good.
Incidentally, Socialist Worker now has it as a 'Nazi Attack':
Socialist Worker (Britain) - an anticapitalist, revolutionary weekly
Their language in the actual reporting slides around, using Nazi, fascist and far right.
these should be understood by reference to the swp dictionary, where nazi, fascist and indeed far right are all to be understood as 'people to the right of clement attlee'
Ah, yes, major was just a neo-fascist.
soz for the edit
… but, but, you've made me look a fool!
you needed no help there
imagine a sort of cross between Kristallnacht & the invasion of Poland
more inanity here ...
Communist Bookstore “Attack” – MBGA Press Release
Posted by Luke Nash-Jones | Aug 9, 2018 | Branches | 9 |
Make Britain Great Again” have condemned the actions of third parties in the store.
See this video and this other video
Antifa posts are inaccurate. Elizabeth Jones was not involved in the visit by UKIP members and some third parties to a communist bookstore. She was up the road talking to a guy about taxation legislation. Sharon Klaff was not there. Edward Howard was not there.
An idiot called Mark “Buska” Martin, who I believe falsely claims to be a UKIP member, (not to be mistaken for Martin Costello) did ruin everything:
This Mark Martin fool whipped people up, making some stupid, irritating, absurd remarks, which do not reflect our beliefs, and called for the ripping of a free anti-Tommy Robinson banner.
In so doing, he hindered a calm departure from the store, causing disrespect to private property.
He also had the absolutely incredible lack of judgement to upload such a video, implicating his own self, and to delay in removing it despite my insistence.
All of the Make Britain Great Again committee greatly regret collaborating with this absolute imbecile and have, despite his protest and disappointment, even anger, politely informed him of such.
No one who is, or ever was, a member of Make Britain Great Again, or UKIP, committed any violent act; damaged anything; wore any form of mask; or committed any crime.
There were no “masked attackers” – such is very obvious from footage.
There was absolutely no damage to any books, or the shop in general.
Martin Costello left the shop almost immediately.
Nash-Jones visibly in the video was trying to defuse the situation.
Nash-Jones did go into the store with genuine intention to see which books they have on “cultural hegemony”; something Gramsci opposed.
A third party YouTuber, Mark Martins, who isn’t part of MBGA though he claims to be UKIP, and whom no party suspended, suggested that another filmmaker with a Trump mask and others visit the communist bookstore for a prank video, in the style of a Vine, etc.. They wanted to shout Trump for a few seconds and leave. A good humoured, calm, spontaneous attempt to make a prank video, of a style popular on YouTube, and of new social media recruits to the UKIP party. There was no malicious intent. This moron Mark Martin hindered a calm departure from the store, causing disrespect to private property.
Considering that last week anti-Semites threatened repeatedly to kill us because we reject fascism, Momentum’s 1930s reference is very inappropriate (watch this video). Why didn’t they report on this threat by anti-Semites to kill me? Did that not serve their Marxist agenda? They attack “conservatives” such as ourselves, while they ignore death threats we receive from the actual far-right.
from the comments
As soon as it started getting loud and the shopkeeper started looking annoyed, it was time to leave. No messing about. No negotiating. No trying to calm anyone down. Just get out. I am astonished that the police weren’t called. Luke showed very poor judgement and is to blame because for the whole thing because although Luke stayed calm throughout, he invited those idiots to follow him into to shop and, when he saw that they were causing disruption, Luke did not immediately leave. If Luke had left, the idiots would have followed him like sheep and the incident would have been over in seconds.
This has been a cock-up. Unfortunately, in the Bookmarks crowd were a couple of notorious EDL people, with horrific backgrounds and others who are well known to not only the police but by the intelligence teams of HnH and Momentum. There was a young man with severe autism, easily led. Vunerable. A number have criminal records. The whole thing was a disaster.
There can be no deflection of blame to third parties. No smart editing. Leaders have to lead and take the whacks when it goes wrong. It has gone wrong.
But it does not have to be the end.
There has to be an unconditional apology to the Bookmarks team and this needs to be published.
I fear that otherwise the storm that will surely come on Saturday after the demo at Bookmarks ( about 2000 strong IMHO including powerful political and media figures ) will be extremely damaging to the political careers of the three main UKIP members involved.
There is no point rabbiting on about MSM / Leftie conspiracy theories , bull s**t about ‘Cultural Marxists’ ‘Communists’ or other such nonsense.
Please apologise guys and live to fight another day.
As President Johnson once said ” A man can fight if he can see daylight down the road, but their ain’t no daylight in Vietnam ‘
Don’t make Bookmarks your Vietnam.
if i was of that orientation and i saw that post i would never trust the author again
Well, that's a life lived to the full.
Shop busy today
A lie lived to the full anyway
Well went up to Bookmarks. Shop was busier than I had seen it previously.
The meeting down the road in basement of church was full. Heard Judith Orr.
Met a few SWP from South London.
My partner is Spanish and south London section has Spanish members.
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Five far right turned up led by plastic geezer Vincent Sullivan
Despite Vincents ' we laid into 200 of them ' apparantly they got chased off by some women who werent having any of it. Strange boy that Vincent.
Miss all the fun !
Why didn't they just punch these wankers ?
According to G uy S. they did !
Worst boy band ever.
Game of two halves
Fucking silly to be putting footage like that in the public domain .
A disappointment to see a gooner like that
Missed all this !
What time did this happen ?
'How terrible is wisdom when it brings no profit to the wise'
Glen Teale, Dave Pearson ( Arsenal shirt) with Vincent.
but surely little camera boy didn't run? he knocked the other fella out didn't he? he said he would and said 'cunt' to make it official. you're not saying he didn't stick to his word and actually ran off, are you
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