removal of israelis (compensation)

[the B]

Looks like your priority is not for the land to be freed for the Arabs to enjoy but to punish the Jews? Is it so?

I wouldn't pay attention to i_hate_beckham when it comes to matters involving politics...

 

[ViolentPanda]

Looks like your priority is not for the land to be freed for the Arabs to enjoy but to punish the Jews? Is it so?

Mmmm, nice recourse to an insinuation of anti-Semitism. Wouldn't it have been better if you presented an argument as to why the settlers do deserve recompense?

 

[slaar]

The compensation is presumably because the Israeli state encouraged them to live there and are now removing them. It's an internal matter in that respect.

 

[moono]

If American money is involved it would contradict UN resolutions stating that member States should not assist member States in breach of UN resolutions.
The settlements are a breach.

 

[ViolentPanda]

The compensation is presumably because the Israeli state encouraged them to live there and are now removing them. It's an internal matter in that respect.

I wasn't asking the question because I needed an answer.

I was asking it in an attempt to highlight Serguei's partiality.

 

[cemertyone]

No way. That's impossible (unless its a 1 bedroom hovel). I don't believe that for a minute.

Average prices for a 1.5 to 2 room apartment is $106,409 (£59,188) for the country as a whole. Tel Aviv will be much more expensive than that.

The average for a 4.5 to 5 room apartment is $239,229 (£133,059), and in Tel Aviv it will be much more expensive again.

These prices will be artifically low because they include apartments in the West Bank and Gaza, which are much lower.

http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/DocView.asp?did=1000002070&fid=1725



Even a 5 room apartment will be far too small for a large family, which is one reason that the West Bank and Gaza are so popular with large families. I have relatives with 7 children living in a 6 room apartment (very expensive, about $600,000) and the only way they live there is by sending the older kids to a boarding school. When they are back for the holidays, it is a nightmare.

Dude it was bought nearly 20 years ago...if you wish i shall get him to p.m you will all the details ..is that what you wish????

 

[energy]

Dude it was bought nearly 20 years ago...if you wish i shall get him to p.m you will all the details ..is that what you wish????

So why didn't you say that in the first place? Or don't you believe in inflation? That apartment today is probably worth $1 million, if it hasn't degraded over time.

 

[Ing_soc]

Edited to add: I should be fair here. Some cultures (perhaps including some Jewish groups and Palestinians) use pregnancy as a method to control women, so in the women's case, it might well be that she is having a "gun" held at her head.

inserts gun = penis joke. much hilarity.

some people are mis-informed about settlers. they are not all religious stone throwing extremists who believe that they have a god-given right to the land. some simply moved because of repeated state encouragement, and much lower prices in an over-populated country, along with various govt subsidies. as someone pointed out, many are just pawns in the govt game.

 

[energy]

inserts gun = penis joke. much hilarity

That's not quite what I meant, although I can understand that someone obsessed by guns and penises might think that

 

[Grandma Death]

The occupation of the gaza strip was/is illegal. If the settlers moved in knowing the occupation was illegal then they deserve jackshit. If however the UN mandate was passed after they moved in then they are IMO entitled to compensation.

 

[moono]

The permanent annexation of territory by war is in itself illegal.
Israel has no legal claim to any of the Occupied Territories except through the vagaries of Resolution 242 which offers all States secure borders. Of course, that applies to the Palestinians also so even 242 cannot provide aggression with a cloak of respectability.

The matter of Sharon paying the settlers can be likened to a mob boss compensating gang members that get caught.

 

[energy]

The matter of Sharon paying the settlers can be likened to a mob boss compensating gang members that get caught.

That's a bit of an exaggeration. These people are mostly law abiding citizens. OK, they have their faults and have settled illegally, but comparisons with mob payouts is pathetic.

 

[Grandma Death]

The matter of Sharon paying the settlers can be likened to a mob boss compensating gang members that get caught.

Thats bollocks. Some of these people have lived there all of their lives-of course that doesnt make it right. But personally it wasnt THEM who appropiated the land and they were encouraged to move there.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

there's a couple of things which aren't being mentioned here which prolly should be firstly the package of 'compensation' is a non intrest relocation loan not outright compensation it has to be paid back at least in part. Secondly alot of the settlers were paid by the isreali state in the first place to move into the occupied territories, all number of promises were made to them very few of which materialised...

regardless of the actions of the settlers after the fact, it's the islreali govt who are ultimatle to blame in supporting and fundign the occupation and indeed the further occupation not the indivuals who ended up living there as a result of that policy. I think it's very dangerous a concept to start sayign that these people don't deserve some form of support from the state which set them up and then knocked them down...

 

[moono]

Some people see only the misinformed settlers who envisioned a better existence of peaceful and happy communities sharing barbecues. They omit the hardened, well-armed and calculating Zionists who fronted the settlement operations, drawing covert weaponry and pay from the Israeli government. It is to these 'soldiers' that my analogy refers and to call it 'bollox' shows a reluctance to understand the Zionist cause in depth.

You also base your argument on the emotive aspects of the situation whilst ignoring the legal aspects.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

i do nothing of the sort you condesending moron....

as some one who by birth is an ardent supporter of the palestinian state; who indeed will be there in under 2 months at the request of palestinian organiseations... kindly take that tone and you moronic misrepresentations and shove them firmly up your arse....

there is no doubt that there are thsoe factions with the settler movement who are hardcore headbangers who want nothing mor ethan a sepretist state free from any palestinian/arab influence however to assume that this argument follows for all the settlers is the same bigoted nosense as to assume all black people are muggers by the actions of a few... i think you are attempting to paint all isrealis as demons in order to further your own prejudices under the self acclaimed 'knowledgable' postition...

i assure you that such prejucide will further nothing but further prejudices on bothsides... so you storm front fucker whats your game...

care to explain your experince and why you are quailfied to comment ...

Here's betting it's fuck all ....

 

[energy]

who indeed will be there in under 2 months at the request of palestinian organiseations...

Let me guess, you're the next British born suicide bomber?

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Let me guess, you're the next British born suicide bomber?

another stoopid no mark ... and your point would be scum boy?

care to add tot he topic or are you just boosting your pointless post count...

 

[moono]

GarfieldLeChat

however to assume that this argument follows for all the settlers is the same bigoted nosense as to assume all black people are muggers by the actions of a few..

True, which is why I did no such thing. Read back, and try not to advertise that you're an intellectual runt.

 

[energy]

and your point would be scum boy?

Sending a muscle-brain like yourself to Palestine is only going to end in tears.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Sending a muscle-brain like yourself to Palestine is only going to end in tears.

any other of topic personal attack you'd like to make ... is this your manner of contributing like some no mark troll, be off with you ... there have been many more, off higher far better grade than you here before ... truely pathetic....

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

GarfieldLeChat


True, which is why I did no such thing. Read back, and try not to advertise that you're an intellectual runt.

now then lets attend to this bollocks you are denying...

Some people see only the misinformed settlers who envisioned a better existence of peaceful and happy communities sharing barbecues.

name names other wise this is merely and attempt to mis lead late comers tot he thread as thoguh this has happened which it has not your deleiberate mis represetnation of others arguments marks out your comments so that you can narrow the field of discussion on to topics you wish to espouse to appear more knowledgeable about

They omit the hardened, well-armed and calculating Zionists who fronted the settlement operations, drawing covert weaponry and pay from the Israeli government.

This beign the topic you wish to narrow down the discussion to ie your perceived prejudices of certain groups, and an attempt to slur all of those settlers as being part of a wider agreed consensious of opinion.

It is to these 'soldiers' that my analogy refers and to call it 'bollox' shows a reluctance to understand the Zionist cause in depth.

this part of your statement adopting the superiour and condesending tone in order to sneer and smeer the other posters comments and at the same time elevating yourself to the point of arugmentative superiorty; the implacation is "i know more than you do i'm clearly far more knowledgeable than you so shut up and only discuss things in terms which i set and under topics which i couch."

You also base your argument on the emotive aspects of the situation whilst ignoring the legal aspects.

you again attempt to narrow the topic of discussion to only things you which to discuss here, attempting to infere that if people discuss the human rather than the legalistic aspects of the situation in pal that they are in some how therefore in some way complicit in the ignoring the countless UN resolutuions and the illegal occupation of pal territories since 67

 

[moono]

Firstly, LeChat, discussion of such a topic in depth requires linguistic skills which you emphatically do not possess.
Any urge towards compassionate assistance to your failings is overridden by the nature and content of your responses to reasonable contributions. I copy an effort below;

i do nothing of the sort you condesending moron.... as some one who by birth is an ardent supporter of the palestinian state; who indeed will be there in under 2 months at the request of palestinian organiseations... kindly take that tone and you moronic misrepresentations and shove them firmly up your arse.... there is no doubt that there are thsoe factions with the settler movement who are hardcore headbangers who want nothing mor ethan a sepretist state free from any palestinian/arab influence however to assume that this argument follows for all the settlers is the same bigoted nosense as to assume all black people are muggers by the actions of a few... i think you are attempting to paint all isrealis as demons in order to further your own prejudices under the self acclaimed 'knowledgable' postition... i assure you that such prejucide will further nothing but further prejudices on bothsides... so you storm front fucker whats your game... care to explain your experince and why you are quailfied to comment ... Here's betting it's fuck all ....

Language, Timothy.

Secondly, for any interested party with something other than mush between the ears, you can't reasonably comment on the topic of 'compensation' for the ex-inhabitants of Palestinian territory without considering the implications for international law. 'Compensation' might be viewed as a purely internal affair, most rug-sweepers might prefer that it was, a matter between a government which acted illegally and its citizens who acted illegally, but there are far greater ramifications which include the source of the 'compensation' fund and the small matter of some 5-6 million refugees who have been awaiting internationally-endorsed and legally binding compensation since Resolution 194. 'Compensation' for illegal settlements should not be allowed to proceed without wringing some mention of this oversight from the Fat Assassin.

 

[energy]

any other of topic personal attack you'd like to make ... is this your manner of contributing like some no mark troll, be off with you ... there have been many more, off higher far better grade than you here before ... truely pathetic....

Considering the pathetic attempt at intimidation you tried on me a few weeks ago (something about you demanding my address so you can come and take over my house), you're the troll and frankly you can go fuck yourself.

Like I said, sending a brainless twat such as yourself to Palestine will only end in tears. I fully expect to see your face on the news, either as a suicide bomber or perhaps shot doing something stupid.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Considering the pathetic attempt at intimidation you tried on me a few weeks ago (something about you demanding my address so you can come and take over my house), you're the troll and frankly you can go fuck yourself.

Like I said, sending a brainless twat such as yourself to Palestine will only end in tears. I fully expect to see your face on the news, either as a suicide bomber or perhaps shot doing something stupid.

hmm let's see a coward who made big claims but then weren't actually preparred to live up to their words attempts to wish ill on someone they haven't met in order to insinuate in some kind of racist slur that as an arab i must be a defacto terroist for simply stating that i'm going to palestine; intresting nice to see you bigotry has continued unabaited in the preceeding weeks since our last meeting on here...

as fior beign shot or doing something stupid you will be sadly disappointed on both scores there... care to put your money where your mouth is bigot ... care to join me...???

bet you won't...

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Firstly, LeChat, discussion of such a topic in depth requires linguistic skills which you emphatically do not possess.
Any urge towards compassionate assistance to your failings is overridden by the nature and content of your responses to reasonable contributions.

good one disabled people aren't allowed to expess themselves as they see fit becuase it upsets the likes of you... nice sentiment...

Language, Timothy.

english last time i checked ... and your point would be...

Secondly, for any interested party with something other than mush between the ears, you can't reasonably comment on the topic of 'compensation' for the ex-inhabitants of Palestinian territory without considering the implications for international law. 'Compensation' might be viewed as a purely internal affair, most rug-sweepers might prefer that it was, a matter between a government which acted illegally and its citizens who acted illegally, but there are far greater ramifications which include the source of the 'compensation' fund and the small matter of some 5-6 million refugees who have been awaiting internationally-endorsed and legally binding compensation since Resolution 194. 'Compensation' for illegal settlements should not be allowed to proceed without wringing some mention of this oversight from the Fat Assassin.

I think you can reasonably point out that it's not compensation but a relocation loan (if you even knew the subject matter you'd know this was accurate clearly you don't...) as for compensation for the illiegal occupation this isn't likely to be paid ever by isreal no matter how much you postulate on here. So i say again please state your experince in this matter or are you just postulating from behind you bigotted postition and using the palestinian cause to further your own bigotted view points...

 

[energy]

hmm let's see a coward who made big claims but then weren't actually preparred to live up to their words attempts to wish ill on someone they haven't met in order to insinuate in some kind of racist slur that as an arab i must be a defacto terroist for simply stating that i'm going to palestine; intresting nice to see you bigotry has continued unabaited in the preceeding weeks since our last meeting on here...

Nothing to do with racism.

All I need to do is read your posts to realize that 1) you're not the brightest cookies in the jar, 2) you're not all alright in the grey matter zone, and 3) you're more extreme than the average joe.

This lead me to my suggestion since Hamas likes to use dumbarse, mentally unstable extremists as suicide bombers.

On the off-chance that you're not going as a suicide bomber, a dumbarse, mentally unstable extremist is more than likely to do something stupid and get himself shot in the process.

as fior beign shot or doing something stupid you will be sadly disappointed on both scores there... care to put your money where your mouth is bigot ... care to join me...???

I'll hear about it on the news. No need to join you. There are smarter ways to oppose the occupation than get into the firing line. Just now I'm getting involved with something that requires smart, stable moderates -- more my line of doing things.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

yes i'm sure you are ...

 

[moono]

LeChat;

good one disabled people aren't allowed to expess themselves as they see fit becuase it upsets the likes of you... nice sentiment...

Oh no you don't , LeChat. You called it yourself.
If you have an impediment, inform your brain before it operates your mouth.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

LeChat;

Oh no you don't , LeChat. You called it yourself.
If you have an impediment, inform your brain before it operates your mouth.

i think you'll find that you should read the thread i posted before making further ignorant comments...